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kccqzy ◴[] No.45762054[source]
I think there is something deeper here: people have become scared of the unknown, therefore we need to hide things for them. But people don't have to be scared. In fact even for people who are using Handbrake comfortably, a lot of things Handbrake presents in its UI are probably unknown to them and can safely be ignored. The screenshot in the article shows that Handbrake analyzed the source video and reported it as 30 FPS, SDR, 8-bit 4:2:0, 1-1-1. I think less than a tenth of a percent of Handbrake users understand all of that. 30 FPS is reasonably understandable but 4:2:0 requires the user to understand chroma subsampling, a considerably more niche topic. And I have no idea what 1-1-1 is and I simply ignore it. My point is, when faced with unknown information and controls, why do people feel scared in the first place? Why can't they simply ignore the unknown and make sense of what they can understand? Is it because they worry that the part of the software they don't understand will damage their computer or delete all their files? Is it just the lack of computer literacy?

I do not readily empathize with people who are scared of software, because my generation grows up tinkering with software. I'd like to understand why people would become scared of software in the first place.

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bugsliker ◴[] No.45762411[source]
How do you gain the confidence that what you choose to ignore is safe to ignore?

Computer damage is one potential consequence on the extreme end. On the conservative end, the software might just not work the way you want and you waste your time. It’s a mental model you have to develop. Even as a technical power user though, I want to reduce the risk of wasting my time, or even confront the possibility that I might waste my time, if I don’t have to.

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Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45765110[source]
How do you know the software in the article will do what you want?

For handbrake you can pick a preset and see what happens. Or don't even do that: when you open it it'll make you pick a video file, then you can just jam the green start button and see if it gives you what you need. Very little time spent.

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bugsliker ◴[] No.45766167[source]
i mean i don’t know that the green button does what i want either so what’s your point?
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Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45766228[source]
Right, you don't know if either program is the right thing just by looking at it. The reason you're uncertain isn't all those options handbrake shows. You have that uncertainty no matter what. You need the same confidence with or without options. So that problem, while real, isn't an argument against showing options.

And as far as time goes, it only takes a few seconds in either scenario. You hit go, you see the progress bar is moving, you check your file a few minutes later.

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bugsliker ◴[] No.45766400{3}[source]
if the UI is forcing me to look at these options before pressing Go, it is a signal that someone thought these were important to consider before i pressed Go. this is the gricean maxims of quantity and relation.

the decision to ignore this signal is a learned behavior that you and i have, is all i’m saying

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Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45766473{4}[source]
The average person doesn't even read error messages. They know how to ignore things and hit the button that goes forward just fine. If they choose not to try the program, that's different. They don't lack the skill. (A child might lack this skill but a child is curious enough to push on so it works out anyway.)
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bugsliker ◴[] No.45766754{5}[source]
I don’t really understand what you’re arguing anymore. Is the average person afraid of the unknown or are they capable of ignoring things?

You seem comfortable with the idea that a child not having this learned skill. I don’t know why you don’t extend that empathy towards the inexperienced in general.

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Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45767135{6}[source]
My interpretation was that you're implying a big fraction of adults don't have this skill, that a typical non-technical person likely doesn't have it. I'm saying nearly every adult does have it. So I have empathy for those that truly lack it, the 1% of adults, but that empathy doesn't extend to the rest that aren't suffering that issue.
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bugsliker ◴[] No.45767337{7}[source]
why would people choose to suffer a skill issue for a skill they have? that makes no sense to me and imo you're vastly underestimating this percent.
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Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45768399{8}[source]
Quitting is easier.
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bugsliker ◴[] No.45768475{9}[source]
you’re bringing in an unwarranted value judgement on quitting here. easier why? maybe because i have more important things to do?
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1. Dylan16807 ◴[] No.45768553{10}[source]
It only takes a few seconds.