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_ZeD_ ◴[] No.45768260[source]
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1. 0xDEAFBEAD ◴[] No.45768463[source]
Just because the government is enforcing laws you don't like does not make it oppression. Imagine if everyone started using firearms in response to laws they considered oppressive, e.g. business owners who found regulation oppressive might say "come and enforce it". You would probably refer to this as "undermining democracy" if it was a law that you actually agreed with.
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2. Eextra953 ◴[] No.45768783[source]
Using firearms against the state never works. However, the oppression isn't in the enforcement of laws it is in how those laws are being enforced, selectively, against brown and black people. Also, something being a law doesn't make it right or just. For examples of this just look at slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, etc at a certain point in time all of those things were against the law but people agonized, organized and resisted enough to change the law. By your logic those groups weren't oppressed since the law allowed for their oppression.
3. hvb2 ◴[] No.45769075[source]
I think if you were to look at how often a government is rebuffed by the courts, that's a pretty good indicator of how much they're trying to bend the rules or outright ignore them.

Also, "come and enforce it" is not undermining democracy. A law is only a piece of paper until a court upholds it. Even the federal government can write whatever it wants, if it's then ruled unconstitutional that's the end of that.

The problem going on right now is that so much is being broken that the already slow court system just cannot keep up.

4. exe34 ◴[] No.45769296[source]
It does when it's the courts say the government is breaking the law.
5. mktk1001 ◴[] No.45779140[source]
How do you feel about slave catchers enforcing the law back in the day?
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6. 0xDEAFBEAD ◴[] No.45781453[source]
False equivalence. The scenario with immigration is more like: Someone builds a house on your land. You tell the cops to kick them out. Protesters disrupt the cops, stating: "OMG you'll make them homeless!"