←back to thread

183 points petalmind | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.001s | source
Show context
andy99 ◴[] No.45763166[source]
I’ve read tons of these and still have no idea if I have aphantasia or not. I can’t understand whether people just have different ways of describing what’s in their minds eye or if there’s really a fundamental difference.
replies(33): >>45763269 #>>45763274 #>>45763290 #>>45763313 #>>45763330 #>>45763340 #>>45763348 #>>45763349 #>>45763386 #>>45763411 #>>45763473 #>>45763490 #>>45763967 #>>45764302 #>>45764514 #>>45764869 #>>45765000 #>>45765061 #>>45765156 #>>45765262 #>>45765365 #>>45765617 #>>45765661 #>>45765725 #>>45765774 #>>45765823 #>>45765873 #>>45766071 #>>45766116 #>>45766704 #>>45767642 #>>45768559 #>>45769211 #
agentcoops ◴[] No.45766071[source]
There is really a fundamental difference as many studies now have shown---and I can attest from personal experience. Honestly, if you have to ask the question there's a pretty high chance you are: everyone at some level believes that their own inner experience generalizes to the rest of humanity, but it's those with aphantasia who thereby believe that everyone else's description is just a manner of speaking ("they, like me, surely don't really think in pictures").

I find the typical thought experiment of "picture an apple" less illustrative than something like "picture the face of a co-worker you see every day but aren't friends with and tell me the color of their eyes." In the apple case, everyone has a "concept" of apple and an experience of "thinking about an apple"---the difference is really in what you can deduce from that thinking and how, if that make sense. Are you reasoning on the basis of an image or from more or less linguistic facts ("apples are red therefore..." etc)?

The main difference that's more than an "implementation" detail of how you think, so to speak, but really a limit concerns what's called "episodic memory." People with aphantasia rather singularly cannot re-experience the emotions of past experiences. There are a lot of studies on this and I can look up the references if you're interested.

When I was really trying to make sense of my own aphantasia, I found https://www.hurlburt.faculty.unlv.edu/codebook.html to be one of the most fascinating resources: it's essentially a catalog of all the different modalities of inner experience a large study found. Probably there are critiques of his methodology etc, but regardless it's an invaluable aid for trying to figure out how exactly you think.

replies(2): >>45766181 #>>45769355 #
1. woopwoop ◴[] No.45766181[source]
Are you saying that a non-aphantasic person can recall the eye color of everyone in their office?
replies(1): >>45768326 #
2. agentcoops ◴[] No.45768326[source]
No, certainly not. I was trying to pose a thought experiment that draws one's attention to the how of their thinking more than "think of an apple." Even if you can't figure out the person's eye color, did you bring to mind a blurred workplace image that just didn't have enough detail in the right place? For an aphantasic, especially if you don't even know this person's name, it's really a sort of experience of an empty thought in the way that thinking about an apple isn't.

It's hard to write about these things...