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heavyset_go ◴[] No.45677171[source]
Insane that one company can dictate what websites you're allowed to visit. Telling you what apps you can run wasn't far enough.
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liquid_thyme ◴[] No.45677365[source]
I really don't know how they got nerds to think scummy advertising is cool. If you think about it, the thing they make money on - no user actually wants ads or wants to see them, ever. Somehow Google has some sort of nerd cult that people think its cool to join such an unethical company.
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jrowen ◴[] No.45678151[source]
So unethical that they made countless free services that millions of people have relied on every day for years. Do you interface with anyone that's not deep in the software industry? Every regular person I know uses everything Google without any hesitation and no more than a bit of annoyance with ads sometimes. I think they all are pretty happy with the deal and would not switch to a paid ad-free version.

I'm increasingly blown away by takes on here that are so dramatic and militant about things that barely even register to most people.

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jacquesm ◴[] No.45679686[source]
Google's services, especially their free services, are never really free. It's just that the price tag is so well hidden that ordinary users really believe this. But the HN audience is more technical than that and they see through the smokescreen.

Except for those that are making money off adds directly or indirectly, and who believe in their god given right to my attention and my data.

> I'm increasingly blown away by takes on here that are so dramatic and militant about things that barely even register to most people.

Things 'barely even registering to most people' is not as strong a position as you may think it is. Oxygen barely registers to most people. But take it away and they register it just fine (for a short while). The 'regular' people that you know have been steadily conditioned to an ever worsening experience to the point that they barely recognize the websites they visit when seeing the web with an adblocker for the first time.

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1. jrowen ◴[] No.45684097[source]
It's just that the price tag is so well hidden that ordinary users really believe this.

And if they die believing that, what price did they really pay? I don't think the difference mostly comes down to a lack of knowledge or understanding, but more a difference of care or assigned value. There are a lot of smart people on HN, but with that often comes exaggerated anxieties and paranoias. If most people don't give a crap about giving their data to Google or allowing the big bad advertisements to penetrate their feeble minds or whatever, vociferously beating that drum just amounts to old-man-yelling-at-cloud-esque FUD.

Things 'barely even registering to most people' is not as strong a position as you may think it is.

I understand that logically that is neither here nor there, it was more just an expression of exasperation. It's kind of like how I'm equally blown away by how much energy some people put into anti-abortion laws. It's like, ok, everyone can have their opinions, and there's plenty of reasonable discussion to be had, but to put so much negative energy into something that's like, is this really the battle that's worth this much outrage right now? There are literally genocides and violent deportations going on around us. Google are not the bad guys.

Also, I don't use any kind of ad blocker. There are definitely lots of ad-infested unusable experiences out there but Google products are generally among the classiest and most unobtrusive.

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2. jacquesm ◴[] No.45684208[source]
The people that put effort into anti-abortion laws are usually trying to force their view of how other people should live onto those other people.

I block ads out of my life because I am easily distracted and have seen the internet go from a great place to a billboard that continuously screams at me for my attention. It's pure self-preservation, I don't begrudge you your 45 minutes of advertising time per day at all.