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donmcronald ◴[] No.45675582[source]
I tried to submit this, but the direct link here is probably better than the Reddit thread I linked to:

https://old.reddit.com/r/immich/comments/1oby8fq/immich_is_a...

I had my personal domain I use for self-hosting flagged. I've had the domain for 25 years and it's never had a hint of spam, phishing, or even unintentional issues like compromised sites / services.

It's impossible to know what Google's black box is doing, but, in my case, I suspect my flagging was the result of failing to use a large email provider. I use MXRoute for locally hosted services and network devices because they do a better job of giving me simple, hard limits for sending accounts. That way if anything I have ever gets compromised, the damage in terms of spam will be limited to (ex) 10 messages every 24h.

I invited my sister to a shared Immich album a couple days ago, so I'm guessing that GMail scanned the email notifying her, used the contents + some kind of not-google-or-microsoft sender penalty, and flagged the message as potential spam or phishing. From there, I'd assume the linked domain gets pushed into another system that eventually decides they should blacklist the whole domain.

The thing that really pisses me off is that I just received an email in reply to my request for review and the whole thing is a gas-lighting extravaganza. Google systems indicate your domain no longer contains harmful links or downloads. Keep yourself safe in the future by blah blah blah blah.

Umm. No! It's actually Google's crappy, non-deterministic, careless detection that's flagging my legitimate resources as malicious. Then I have to spend my time running it down and double checking everything before submitting a request to have the false positive mistake on Google's end fixed.

Convince me that Google won't abuse this to make self hosting unbearable.

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1. david_van_loon ◴[] No.45677698[source]
I'm in a similar boat. Google's false flag is causing issues for my family members who use Chrome, even for internal services that aren't publicly exposed, just because they're on related subdomains.

It's scary how much control Google has over which content people can access on the web - or even on their local network!

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2. Larrikin ◴[] No.45678349[source]
It's a good opportunity to recommend Firefox when you can show a clear abuse of position
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3. donmcronald ◴[] No.45678757[source]
Firefox uses the same list.