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sylens ◴[] No.45674189[source]
We need better client support for JMAP. Apple Mail, Thunderbird, Outlook (as if), and so on. I'm surprised some of the smaller ones like Canary or Spark don't implement it as a product differentiator.
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frumplestlatz ◴[] No.45675410[source]
There isn’t really a great motivating feature or use-case driving client or server adoption.

To be honest, I’m not sure why end-users would want JMAP for e-mail access.

It would be interesting if they do successfully roll out all of these additional RFC proposals providing a cohesive “groupware” protocol covering calendering, contacts, file shares, etc, we see notable server implementations, and interest is enough to drive client support.

That’s a lot of “ifs”.

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tjoff ◴[] No.45675438[source]
Because IMAP is horrible, it is another driving reason why we are moving towards the dystopian world of webmail.
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frumplestlatz ◴[] No.45675451[source]
Horrible how, exactly?

People say things like that, and I wonder if I’ve just been living in a gilded tower of using Apple Mail with decent IMAP server implementations.

I’m also pretty familiar with the wire protocol and its implementation — it’s never struck me as particularly horrible.

A new protocol isn’t likely to solve the problem of poorly implemented clients and servers — e.g. Google doesn’t really care about good IMAP support, so they’re unlikely to care much about JMAP, either. They just want you to use their webapp.

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isaachinman ◴[] No.45675944[source]
Gilded tower? Are we living in separate universes?

Shameless plug for a client with true offline-first IMAP support:

https://marcoapp.io

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1. frumplestlatz ◴[] No.45677410[source]
Sounds like it :) I’ve been very happy with Mail.app since MacOS 10.0. My use has always been with my employer’s IMAP servers, and my own cryus (and eventually) dovecot self-hosted IMAP servers.

Mail.app is what NeXT used internally, and Apple uses to this day AFAIK. Steve Jobs historically paid a lot of attention to it and wasn’t shy about weighing in on any changes.

Most of the complaints that I’ve heard about it seemed to stem from poor IMAP servers (e.g. Gmail), but it sounds like your knowledge in the space would be a lot more detailed and recent than mine, so I would be very interested in your thoughts.