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JMAP for Calendars, Contacts and Files Now in Stalwart

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309 points StalwartLabs | 1 comments | 22 Oct 25 17:26 UTC | HN request time: 0.217s | source
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blacklion ◴[22 Oct 25 22:50 UTC] No.45676158[source]▶
What next? Replacing Sieve with something cumbersome, but JSON based?

There is no good desktop implementation of MUA with old technologies (IMAP, Sieve), will all this JMAP help?

I don't think so.

What is profit to have good server with new good (assume it is good, I'm not sure, but lets assume) protocols without good client?

IMAP4 is underused by modern clients: it allows to effectively store client configuration on server, nobody implements it on client side. It allows to configure per-folder Sieve scripts, nobody implements it on client side. Nobody implements good Sieve client (with folder name autocomplition and such) even for global script, not to mention per-folder ones. Heck, there is no good Sieve editor! (I know about Sieve client built on Electron, it is not good, it is incomplete and buggy).

Servers are solved problem (sendmail, exim, postfix, dovecot, cyrus). Clients are not, they stagnated at the moment GMail was announced.

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1. Avamander ◴[23 Oct 25 01:27 UTC] No.45677188[source]▶
Solved problem? Dovecot can't handle UTF-8 to this day. Things like Stalwart do try and change that and actually support non-legacy features. (Though I think Stalwart doesn't do IMAP NOTIFY either.)

Clients on the other hand have actually kinda moved forward, Apple Mail works with IMAP servers and offers features that people only got with Gmail before. But there are many other examples as well.