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    MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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    672 points LexSiga | 23 comments | 22 Oct 25 06:17 UTC | HN request time: 0.002s | source | bottom
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    mattbee ◴[22 Oct 25 10:53 UTC] No.45667259[source]▶
    They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant.

    From their Slack on Oct 10:

    "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible". [emphasis mine]

    The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't going to be.

    Even when I set up a minio cluster this February, it was both impressively easy and hard in a few small aspects. The most crucial installation tips - around 100Gb networking, Linux kernel tunables and fault-finding - were hung off comments on their github, talking about files that were deleted from the repository years ago.

    I've built a cluster for a client that's being expanded to ≈100PB this year. The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage (not including the actual hosting costs!). The value of it just isn't that high to my client - so I guess we're just coasting on what we can get now, and will have to see what real community might form around the source.

    I'm not a free software die-hard so I'm grateful for the work minio have put into the world, and the business it's enabling. But it seems super-clear they're stopping those contributions, and I'd bet the final open source release will happen in the next year.

    If anyone else is hosting with minio & can't afford the support either :) please drop me a line and maybe we can get something going.

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    tw04 ◴[22 Oct 25 15:37 UTC] No.45670759[source]▶
    >The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage

    That's absurd. I would be running to NetApp and Dell for competitive object storage quotes then. Haven't done pricing on either one recently but at least a few years ago they were roughly half the price of S3 all in (including hosting costs).

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    1. votepaunchy ◴[22 Oct 25 16:57 UTC] No.45671976[source]▶
    > half the price of S3

    No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.

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    2. stackedinserter ◴[22 Oct 25 17:27 UTC] No.45672351[source]▶
    How to not pay full price on AWS? We pay $10K+ per month and nobody gives us any discount.
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    3. BozeWolf ◴[22 Oct 25 17:34 UTC] No.45672451[source]▶
    To be fair, for aws that is hobbyist numbers. We (400 people data company) pay 10 times that amount. Let alone big enterprises.

    We do get discount, but it wont make it cheap.

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    4. jerf ◴[22 Oct 25 17:35 UTC] No.45672468[source]▶
    Maybe someone else somewhere is getting some unbelievably sweet deal but what I've seen from cloud discounting is more in the "single digit percentage" range than "2/3rds off" or something.
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    5. bargle0 ◴[22 Oct 25 17:44 UTC] No.45672602{3}[source]▶
    What kind of hobby do you have where you’re spending $10k/month?
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    6. lobsterthief ◴[22 Oct 25 17:45 UTC] No.45672618{3}[source]▶
    There’s a lot of middleground between hobbyists and your company’s use ;) Most mid-sized publishers I’ve worked with are in the $4-10k/mo range depending on CDN availability
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    7. skywhopper ◴[22 Oct 25 17:45 UTC] No.45672624[source]▶
    The good discounts start around 100x your spend.
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    8. antonkochubey ◴[22 Oct 25 17:51 UTC] No.45672695[source]▶
    Savings plans and reserved instances will get you at least 50% off EC2, RDS, and some other things
    9. BozeWolf ◴[22 Oct 25 17:57 UTC] No.45672799{4}[source]▶
    Of course, I agree.

    My point is that the parent I was replying to replied to “only hobbyists pay full price on aws”. The parent was expecting to get a discount on a 10k monthly bill. It is a lot of money, but not to AWS. You probably wont get (much) discount on 10k a month.

    10. m00x ◴[22 Oct 25 18:04 UTC] No.45672889{4}[source]▶
    I see you've never heard of Warhammer 40k
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    11. mannyv ◴[22 Oct 25 18:19 UTC] No.45673092[source]▶
    You talk to your account rep to do a guaranteed spend in exchange for a discount.

    Some services get large discounts, some don’t. Depends on utilization. For 10k you should get a lot.

    12. ghshephard ◴[22 Oct 25 18:22 UTC] No.45673133[source]▶
    There are a ton of different discount options - large customers typically get between 50-60% discount based on committed spending, and AWS is pretty flexible around how that commit lands (they will allow roll overs even if they say they won't). Reserved instances get you ~70% discounts - similar to the committed spending. And my favorite - if it works for you - spot instances on EC2 come at as high as 90% off.

    Nobody at commercial volume pays list to AWS - everyone gets a discount.

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    13. ghshephard ◴[22 Oct 25 18:26 UTC] No.45673185{3}[source]▶
    If you are comfortable with making a commit 1-3 year commit - you can get 27-50% discounts at pretty much any spend I think.

    https://aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/compute-pricing/

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    15. trenchpilgrim ◴[22 Oct 25 19:28 UTC] No.45673982[source]▶
    Everywhere I've worked discounts have been 40-60%. If you're getting leas than 40% whoever manages your cloud account isn't doing one of their job duties.
    16. trenchpilgrim ◴[22 Oct 25 19:32 UTC] No.45674043{5}[source]▶
    I see you haven't heard of SLA printers
    17. stackedinserter ◴[22 Oct 25 20:06 UTC] No.45674453{3}[source]▶
    Holy shit, it's brutal. What do you sell and how many customers do you have?
    18. tw04 ◴[22 Oct 25 20:11 UTC] No.45674546[source]▶
    I guess it's a good thing I'm not talking about list price. Do you really think when you're doing a cost comparison of AWS S3 to NetApp or Dell object storage a fortune 500 says: go ahead and use list pricing for the comparison? We plug in their existing discount structure... because otherwise it would be a rather pointless exercise for everyone involved.
    19. throwaway-aws9 ◴[22 Oct 25 21:25 UTC] No.45675354{4}[source]▶
    Right, but depending on your workload, compute might just be 1/3 to 1/2 of your spend. The remainder going on storage, networking (egress and internal between regions & AZs), LBs, and higher abstraction services (from queues to search to serverless).

    Feels great to talk about 27-50% but turns out it's 9%-16% when all is said and done. You can get commitment savings on other services but you need higher spend.

    Feels odd that big cloud gives better discounts to enterprise. They really don't cater to startups as much as they posture.

    20. outofpaper ◴[22 Oct 25 21:28 UTC] No.45675390[source]▶
    Agreed and for most smaller use cases theres always b2 from Backblaze.
    21. Nullabillity ◴[22 Oct 25 22:11 UTC] No.45675817[source]▶
    That, in itself, should be plenty of reason to stay the hell away from it.
    22. crest ◴[22 Oct 25 22:48 UTC] No.45676136[source]▶
    Even 1/3 of the AWS egress list price is a rip-off.
    23. magarnicle ◴[23 Oct 25 00:10 UTC] No.45676733[source]▶
    Is anyone getting discounts on S3? There's easy ways to save on compute like reserved instances but I haven't found anything for storage other than the tiering system.