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What do we do if SETI is successful?

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ricksunny ◴[] No.45662340[source]
former chairman of the board of the SETI Institute John Gertz:

'In fact, the author has heard from serious U.S. SETI researchers that they are convinced that “men in black suits” will appear at their laboratory door the moment a detection is confirmed.'

Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.08422

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psunavy03 ◴[] No.45662561[source]
And yet no one is ever able to describe what agency or jurisdiction these "men in black suits" will work for.

This basically is just demonstrating how people very very good in their field can still fail Civics 101. Men In Black were some funny movies back in the day, but they were just movies.

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protocolture ◴[] No.45665187[source]
The "Men in Black" thing predates the comedy films and the comics they were based on. They are (true or not) a persistent element in UFO abduction stories.

"The term is generic, as it is used for any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting."

Some stories dont even posit them as being from the government, just designed to give that impression. Some reckon alien hybrids. Even in the MiB films they were separate and just controlled the government largely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_black

Its a general fear of government intervention.

If you are asking on what legal basis this fear is founded. I don't think there needs to be one. Lots of governments do illegal stuff. Suits are the classic G man look. They dont need "Jurisdiction" to dress in a suit and harass SETI.

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ricksunny ◴[] No.45669792[source]
That’s all well-put. (btw First alleged MiB incident is the Maury Island 1947 one, which was abduction-free).

So, that most SETI of all SETI people, Carl Sagan posed the role of the security apparatus in Contact, in the form of NSC head Michael Kitz. The film version gace superficial treatment - Kitz locks down message data, and at the end repudiates Arroway’s visit. In his book version, however, the state apparatus is much more insidious. The astronauts (plural, multiple countries rep’d) are threatened with having their psychological reputations destroyed if they ever utter a word that their encounter ever actually took place, or contravene the governments’ (plural) line that the intended journey had failed. Arroway takes extraordinary measures to make sure her hidden testimony will get out ‘should anything happen to her’. Sagan had a security clearance. One is left with the impression that maybe he wasn’t just making up conflict for dramatic reasons.

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1. psunavy03 ◴[] No.45671508[source]
I held a security clearance for 20+ years, and I am not in violation of my NDA to merely observe that government secrets tend to be a lot more mundane than conspiracy theorists often want them to be. Sometimes some really cool engineering is involved, but still.

The laws of physics are what they are, and governments keep things secret to avoid giving their playbooks and sources of information away to adversaries, not because they've re-discovered magic.

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2. protocolture ◴[] No.45689487[source]
>I held a security clearance for 20+ years, and I am not in violation of my NDA to merely observe that government secrets tend to be a lot more mundane than conspiracy theorists often want them to be.

Government secrets can be super mundane and still angering the wrong people can lead to abuse.

IIRC Brian Toohey "leaked" information that was on the public record in the USA. The Australian government still pursued him over it. IIRC the claimed harassment campaign has strong overlaps with Men In Black shenanigans.