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    greatgib ◴[] No.45666908[source]
    Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda.

    Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement was rigged, that he was a great men that served France and so should not be treated like everyone else. Article about how sad the poor family is. Number of articles repeating friends of him verbatim s that the judgement was fake.

    Almost none speaking about the facts, the grounds for his sentence, the big number of other trials against him that are running. And also the other definitive convictions he got. Like for attempting to bribe a head prosecutor to get insider info about his case. Using a prepaid line opened with a fake name...

    But what you see in the end is that 90% of medias in France belongs to a few wealthy families that are friends with him.

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    Aurornis ◴[] No.45668831[source]
    > Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him.

    How much of this is driven by contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting?

    I’m not familiar with French media, but I see the same pattern in every country where I’ve kept up with the news: Media starts being favorable to a topic when it’s up and coming, switching to being highly critical when that topic becomes mainstream, then reverts again to exploring the positives when the topic falls out of favor.

    You see it even with people like Elizabeth Holmes. News stories about her fraud were everywhere until she had to go to jail, but now the news has swung to humanizing her, claiming her sentencing was excessive, focusing on the angle of a mother separated from her children, and confusingly ignoring her fraud at all.

    It’s all designed to be counter-narrative and rise waves of controversy. The more controversial, the more shares and views.

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    Foobar8568 ◴[] No.45669614[source]
    French media are owned by his literal relatives, one (Bouygues, owner of the largest French /media? With TF1 etc.) being the witness of one of his wedding and godfather of his son Louis. The other son is married to the heir of Darty/FNAC. I don't remember where Dassault (major newspaper owner) fits but they were both close as well.
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    1. adolph ◴[] No.45670962[source]
    Dassault (major newspaper owner)

    Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

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    2. vkou ◴[] No.45671718[source]
    Or SpaceX owning Twitter, or the president owning Truth Social?
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    3. votepaunchy ◴[] No.45671803[source]
    Or Amazon owning the Washington Post.
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    4. alephnerd ◴[] No.45671965[source]
    > GE owning a TV network

    Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s?

    5. kakwa_ ◴[] No.45672164[source]
    It's actually kind of worse. Because you get a mix of Dassault (the company)'s agenda (defense spending, pro-industry) and a push for the fairly conservative views of the Marcel Bloch/Dassault descendants themselves.

    To be fair, le Figaro was The French conservative newspaper long before the Dassault's ownership (like +100 years prior), so it's more a case of "Le Figaro has a more comfortable budget to push its views".

    The closest I can think of in the US context is Bezos owning the Washington Post to both push his personal views and Amazon's interests.

    Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son).

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    6. nailer ◴[] No.45672476{3}[source]
    Or journalists everywhere shaping stories to their own biases.
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    7. alessandru ◴[] No.45673361{4}[source]
    almost like ... journalistic integrity and ... maybe less monopoly ... are good things
    8. DFHippie ◴[] No.45673427[source]
    > Or maybe lately, Larry Ellison's take over of Paramount/CBS (but it feels more like he is buying a toy for his son).

    If it were just a toy for his son these things wouldn't have happened - Stephen Colbert canned - Bari Weiss hired to head the news division - $32 million settlement for an easily winnable lawsuit

    I've probably missed some. Ellison is a huge Trump supporter and is clearly reshaping CBS to at least go easy on Trump, if not to make it yet another right wing propaganda outlet.

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    9. yujzgzc ◴[] No.45674030[source]
    Or Musk, who heads a few businesses that directly benefit from government contracts, including some in the defense sector, owning one of the largest online media platforms (fka Twitter).
    10. dreamcompiler ◴[] No.45674169{3}[source]
    Amazon doesn't own the Washington Post. Jeff Bezos does. I'm not sure if this makes the situation worse or better.
    11. stefs ◴[] No.45674887{4}[source]
    that is not the same.
    12. mjd ◴[] No.45681175{3}[source]
    $32 million settlement for a lawsuit *they had already won*. They were supposedly “settling” with Trump so that he wouldn't refile it.

    It was a straight-up bribe.