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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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375 points begueradj | 4 comments | 22 Oct 25 05:49 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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greatgib ◴[22 Oct 25 10:01 UTC] No.45666908[source]▶
Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda.

Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement was rigged, that he was a great men that served France and so should not be treated like everyone else. Article about how sad the poor family is. Number of articles repeating friends of him verbatim s that the judgement was fake.

Almost none speaking about the facts, the grounds for his sentence, the big number of other trials against him that are running. And also the other definitive convictions he got. Like for attempting to bribe a head prosecutor to get insider info about his case. Using a prepaid line opened with a fake name...

But what you see in the end is that 90% of medias in France belongs to a few wealthy families that are friends with him.

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lenkite ◴[22 Oct 25 15:19 UTC] No.45670498[source]▶
Basically Libya would still have been an intact nation with college tuition and free health care if Gadaffi hadn't been so extraordinarily stupid to give money to Sarkozy - who later had him murdered and his nation destroyed via NATO to cover this fact up.
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GeoAtreides ◴[22 Oct 25 15:23 UTC] No.45670551[source]▶
Basically this article would still be expanded if Gadaffi was not deposed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_during...

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lenkite ◴[22 Oct 25 15:26 UTC] No.45670590{3}[source]▶
Frankly, that record looks far cleaner than most US Presidents.
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1. GeoAtreides ◴[22 Oct 25 15:30 UTC] No.45670648{4}[source]▶
That's a complete non-sequitur.

Btw, I've seen chinese tankies and I've seen russian tankies. First time I see a gadaffian tankie.

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2. lenkite ◴[22 Oct 25 15:34 UTC] No.45670705[source]▶
Maybe speak to some ex-Libyans then ? The security and economic stability compared to continuous civil war and chaos - which caused far more atrocities and deaths tends to change one's opinion on NATO sponsored regime change very fast. Millions of your so-called "gadaffi tankies" out there - just not much in the Western world.

But keep thumping yourself on the chest. What do all the deaths and suffering matter ? The bad guy has been beheaded after all and the War stockholders got richer! Mission Accomplished!

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3. GeoAtreides ◴[22 Oct 25 15:41 UTC] No.45670824[source]▶
I was born and raised in one of the most authoritarian regimes in Europe. I know what totalitarian regimes do, and I experienced the crushing poverty that followed the demise of such a regime.

The crimes of the Gaddafi regime are one thing, the ensuing chaos is another. We celebrate the end of a brutal regime and we despair at the death and destruction that followed.

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4. lenkite ◴[22 Oct 25 16:04 UTC] No.45671201{3}[source]▶
Did your nation encounter the same scale of calamity that Libya did ? I think not - it is easy to "celebrate" the end of a brutal regime when you don't have to pay the price.