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What do we do if SETI is successful?

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theletterf ◴[] No.45661520[source]
For a somber, deeply intellectual view of what could happen, I can't recommend enough Stanislaw Lem's His Master's Voice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice_%28novel%...

"Given that our civilization is unable to assimilate well even those concepts that originate in human heads when they appear outside its main current, although the creators of those concepts are, after all, children of the same age—how could we have assumed that we would be capable of understanding a civilization totally unlike ours, if it addressed us across the cosmic gulf?"

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themafia ◴[] No.45662589[source]
Me and my dog cannot talk.

I understand my dog and he understands me.

If they experience death then we have massive common ground already.

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Kiboneu ◴[] No.45662695[source]
Humans and dogs have evolved together to be cooperative…

would you feel common ground with a predatory fish? Or a plant? An insect colony?

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LogicFailsMe ◴[] No.45663648{3}[source]
We all share many similar biological imperatives And these contrived examples because we all evolved on the same planet. Even the worst case scenario of the Dark Forest has many anthropomorphic priors within.

Imagine an intelligent shade of blue. Thank you, Douglas Adams. I suspect we have no idea WTF is out there and I'm not a carbon chauvinist like Carl Sagan was. But I wish I would have lived long enough to find out and I suspect that won't be the case.

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raducu ◴[] No.45663745{4}[source]
> Imagine an intelligent shade of blue

A finite intelligence, willing to talk across the galaxy, talking in finite sequences, using engineering and maths?

I'm sure there's a lot of universal aprioris

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jychang ◴[] No.45664187{5}[source]
There's also a lot of "universals" that people take for granted as universal when it really isn't universal.

Things off the top of my head that humans usually take for granted as "universals":

- Separation of memory and DNA. What if memories were stored in DNA and can be passed between individuals?

- Inability to share memories. What if memories can be passed around like semen and sweat?

- Inability to easily read others' minds. What if kissing/touching someone would share all of each others' thoughts? How would that alien society develop differently?

- Existence of the ego. What if they live in a constant state of ego death, like some humans on certain drugs?

- Separation of the id and the superego. This is... one way to solve an alignment problem, I suppose. Imagine a species which replaced their sense of hunger/sexual craving, with a craving for morality. And they execute creatures like humans when they see a human do anything immoral, such as eating an ice cream when it can reduce your lifespan and thus deprive your children of a parent, or deprive your society of tax dollars.

- And many other possible examples that i can come up with that exists within human "thoughtspace", let alone concepts that do not exist within human thoughtspace

How would you feel if you met an alien species that communicates by raping their children? If that sounds weird to you, what if they can communicate via the DNA in sperm, so it'd be somewhat similar to how human sex transmits information from the human male to the human female?

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raducu ◴[] No.45665552{6}[source]
> There's also a lot of "universals" that people take for granted as universal when it really isn't universal.

It doesn't matter if they kiss to talk or pass on their memories as DNA or they exist in a permanent stat of ego death.

Because we received a modulated signal across the Galaxy, it tells me they:

1) are willing to talk using sequences 2) are technologically inclined, hence they know maths and physics

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1. jychang ◴[] No.45666578{7}[source]
So? That seems extremely naive of you.

To use an example that a regular human would be familiar with: what if the aliens knew math and physics... and were basically ultra-nazis, and very happy to just subjugate you because "our nazi philosophy says that we are superior to everyone else and you are inferior to them" and put you in concentration camps as factory labor for their war machine? You have your own reasons for studying science and math, but what if their entire reason for studying science and math was to build rockets to kill others?

This seems extremely likely, actually! The vast majority of human history has been filled with autocratic governments that centralized power, not free democracies. From the sample size that we have in history, most of the time when the natives meet a stronger scientific power... has not gone well for the natives. What makes you think it will be any different if you meet an alien?

What makes you think just knowing math and physics means that the intelligent alien would be "good" by modern human standards?

And this is just standard boring political talk! We understand that from human politics! What if it's STEM-y and the aliens decide to say "we are killing all of you and slicing all of you into thin slices to scan, in order to scan you into training a LLM"? That sentence would not even be in human thoughtspace 10 years ago! There's almost certainly an even weirder concept that humans today do not have words for, which may be a strong motivation for aliens or even their primary motivation!

I am not an english major, by the way. I am a typical engineer with a strong STEM background, who has happened to have absorbed enough sci-fi concepts through osmosis. I do not consider it likely that we will meet aliens in our lifetime, but I do not expect aliens to follow modern human standards of behavior.