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LLMs can get "brain rot"

(llm-brain-rot.github.io)
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1. Version467 ◴[] No.45665703[source]
So they trained LLM's on a bunch of junk and then notice that it got worse? I don't understand how that's a surprising, or even interesting result?
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2. nazgul17 ◴[] No.45665753[source]
They also tried to heal the damage, to partial avail. Besides, it's science: you need to test your hypotheses empirically. Also, to draw attention to the issue among researchers, performing a study and sharing your results is possibly the best way.
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3. yieldcrv ◴[] No.45665776[source]
I don’t understand, so this is just about training an LLM with bad data and just having a bad LLM?

just use a different model?

dont train it with bad data and just start a new session if your RAG muffins went off the rails?

what am I missing here

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4. ramon156 ◴[] No.45665849{3}[source]
Do you know the conceot of brain rot? The gist here is that if you train on bad data (if you fuel your brain with bad information) it becomes bad
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5. Perz1val ◴[] No.45666033[source]
I seen claims that you can train the models with anything, so it would be a research to check that
6. Version467 ◴[] No.45666973[source]
Yeah I mean I get that, but surely we have research like this already. "Garbage in, garbage out" is basically the catchphrase of the entire ml field. I guess the contribution here is that "brainrot"-like text is garbage which, even though it seems obvious, does warrant scientific investigation. But then that's what the paper should focus on. Not that "LLMs can get 'brain rot'".

I guess I don't actually have an issue with this research paper existing, but I do have an issue with its clickbait-y title that gets it a bunch of attention, even though the actual research is really not that interesting.

7. Sxubas ◴[] No.45667950[source]
Sometimes the simplest of experiments/observations can lead to useful results: You can't do science without challenging your beliefs.

And while this result isn't extraordinary, it definitely creates knowledge and could close the gap to more interesting observations.

8. chipsrafferty ◴[] No.45669028{3}[source]
The idea of brain rot is that if you take a good brain and give it bad data it becomes bad. Obviously if you give a baby (blank brain) bad data it will become bad. This is about the rot, though.
9. yieldcrv ◴[] No.45669490{4}[source]
I don’t understand why this is news or relevant information in October 2025 as opposed to October 2022