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allenrb ◴[] No.45661384[source]
There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive:

1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting.

2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the second flight test and certainly now. They could have built a “dumb” second stage at any time, but aren’t that short-sighted.

3. Blue Origin? I’ve had high hopes for the guys for two decades now. Don’t hold your breath.

4. Anyone else? Really, really don’t hold your breath.

This whole “race to the moon, part II” is almost criminally stupid. Land on the moon when we can accomplish something there, not just to prove we haven’t lost our mojo since Apollo.

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Waterluvian ◴[] No.45662078[source]
Re: 1. I think the America of Theseus mindset is a bit troubling. A lot of people like to identify with achievements that they played no role in. Based on zero expertise whatsoever, I have a sense that this is a bit self defeating. To be born a winner, to be taught you’re a winner… how can that be healthy?

Today’s America scores zero points for its accomplishments of the past. But I think one way it can be a good thing is the, “we’ve done it before, we can do it again” attitude. Which is somewhat opposite to “we already won!”

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zdragnar ◴[] No.45662614[source]
America cannot possibly win the space race again, because it has already been won. The first to get there has already happened.

The idea that we need to land on the moon once a generation just to say that we are as good at landing on the moon as our parents is absurd.

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themgt ◴[] No.45663640[source]
America cannot possibly win the space race again, because it has already been won.

This is sort of like saying Leif Erikson and the Icelandic Commonwealth won the "the new world race" in 1000AD. Whatever Columbus et al were up to would surely be of trifling concern to future generations.

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Yeul ◴[] No.45663729{3}[source]
It also ignores the fact that empires can decline.

(Although I think the moon landing is ridiculous there is no scientific reason for it).

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cratermoon ◴[] No.45664669{4}[source]
What do you mean "there is no scientific reason for it"?
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trenchpilgrim ◴[] No.45665106{5}[source]
There's very little _scientific_ motivation to send humans to do science instead of robots. Robots don't need to eat or drink (much more efficient payloads) and don't expect to survive the mission.

The motivations to send humans to other bodies at this time are political; to prove who is and isn't a superpower of the 21st century.

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1. pastage ◴[] No.45665497{6}[source]
Is there anyone that thinks robots that we can do a 99% robotic mission on the moon and get value from it? I think it would be easier to create a permanent human moon settlement. Doing autonomous robotic missions is really hard at the moment even if they are just 20min away from humans. Even cutting grass is non trivial.
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2. mplewis9z ◴[] No.45665878[source]
You made a big leap there from “robotic missions” to “autonomous robotic missions”, which I think very few think is realistic in the near-term. Some limited autonomy exists as a force-multiplier, sure, but pretty much all robotic space missions are still basically controlled remotely by a human.