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reenorap ◴[] No.45658455[source]
There needs to be a law that all nuclear and nuclear-adjacent facilities have no connection to the Internet. The fact it's allowed is unbelievable.
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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45659165[source]
> needs to be a law that all nuclear and nuclear-adjacent facilities have no connection to the Internet

Why the special treatment for nuclear? Do you really think redlining a dam or storm-levee system would be less damaging?

Also, turning off internet connections means less-capable remote shut shut-off. Less-responsive power plants. Fewer eyes on telemetry.

We should be mindful of what is and isn't connected to the internet, and how it's firewalled and--if necessary--air gapped. That doesn't mean sprinting straight for the end zone.

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doublerabbit ◴[] No.45659264[source]
> Also, turning off internet connections means less-capable remote shut shut-off.

Why does it have to be remote what's wrong with it being in-house? Besides a shut-off should never be able to be triggered remotely.

The same goes for digital emergency shut off buttons; all should be physical.

> Less-responsive power plants.

What? How is remote any more responsive than physical workers being in-house?

If power-plants operated efficiently back in the 50's without internet, they should be able to now without internet.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45659637[source]
> Why does it have to be remote what's wrong with it being in-house?

Nothing wrong with it being in house. But having a back-up is never bad.

> How is remote any more responsive than physical workers being in-house?

If the on-site workers are incapacitated. It's a remote (hehe) risk. But so is foreign hackers doing anything with our nukes.

> If power-plants operated efficiently back in the 50's without internet, they should be able to now without internet

If you're fine paying 50s power prices again, sure, I'm sure a power company would happily run their plants retro style.

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fragmede ◴[] No.45664216[source]
> When expressed in constant 2019 dollars, the average price of electricity in the United States fell from $4.79 per kilowatt-hour in 1902 (the first year for which the national mean is available) to 32 cents in 1950.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/electricity-its-wonderfully-afford...

$0.32 is $0.41 accoreit BLS, which is less than I'm paying today (I live somewhere with expensive electricity), so I'd enjoy the discount if they did!

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=0.32&year1=201...

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1. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45664527[source]
> $0.32 is $0.41 accoreit BLS, which is less than I'm paying today

Out of curiosity, what was the real power price where you live in the 60s?

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2. fragmede ◴[] No.45666386[source]
Had a long back-and-forth with ChatGPT and it says, accounting for inflation, that it's roughly the same from the 50s and the 60s versus today.