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What do we do if SETI is successful?

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wernerb ◴[] No.45662156[source]
This is referenced in a sci fi book "The dark forest" of the series "The 3 body problem". It sets a convincing narrative that because of time taken for observation and response and development speed of society it is most likely that all civilizations that announce themselves would likely be a threat in terms of technological supremacy eventually to observing civilizations. In other words, we don't hear anything because any sufficiently advanced civilization would not want to risk being discovered. I.e., the "dark silent forest".
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Balgair ◴[] No.45662837[source]
I never did buy the dark forest argument. I mean, even in the books, there were smidgeons of humanity left over. And then all the dimension collapsing strangeness. You just can never be sure.

I dunno, it just reeks of the culture of suspicion in communist China. A product of that place and time.

My own idea is the 'used car salesman' idea of the universe. (Reeking of my own mind and place and time). To me, economics will rule in the galactic community. In that water, metals, energy, it's all cheap and everywhere. No need to have any competition over it. No, the only scarce thing is life and then even more it's intelligence. Any other civilization will be desperate to get rights over us and our history.

So, to me, the aliens will come to us loud and proud. Balloons and banners.

And of course, a contract as long as a the rings of Saturn, with print as small as the atoms.

We shouldn't be wary of the weapons, but the lawyers

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antonvs ◴[] No.45663187[source]
I agree, the dark forest argument seems rooted in a kind of paranoia bordering on the insane. No sane culture says “we better just exterminate anyone else we come across just in case,” which is essentially the threat that the dark forest is guarding against. And a culture that does act that way is likely to end up exterminating itself.
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stickfigure ◴[] No.45663246[source]
And yet we see nations like Russia (well, leaders like Putin) acting as if the world is a zero-sum game. The war in Ukraine vaguely looks like the Borg trying to assimilate every resource (geographical or human) in sight.

China (well, Xi) seems to be eyeing a similar path. I feel like there's something worth noting about the Three Body Problem being a product of its culture.

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1. badosu ◴[] No.45664401[source]
I really have a hard time understanding this train of thought.

One could say these sentences are also a product of "its culture".

The world is not black or white, good or evil. Things are more nuanced and complicated than advertised to be.

I'm not the single source of truth either, but I think there are lots of resources for people interested in avoiding propaganda and trying to understand things more deeply.

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2. stickfigure ◴[] No.45670898[source]
Sometimes the bully just wants your lunch money.
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3. badosu ◴[] No.45673180[source]
Maybe, but at least I believe there's plenty historical evidence for a different interpretation than: "russia and china big bad, their values are wrong/not aligned with the west"
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4. stickfigure ◴[] No.45687731{3}[source]
The only values that matter from a moral principle are the values of the people living in Ukraine and Taiwan.
5. int_19h ◴[] No.45691248{3}[source]
I can't speak for China, but when it comes to Russia, take it from a citizen: yes, it is that bad, and the reason is that it's an empire that can't stop being an empire without falling apart (much like Ottoman Empire -> Turkey did).