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allenrb ◴[] No.45661384[source]
There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive:

1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting.

2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the second flight test and certainly now. They could have built a “dumb” second stage at any time, but aren’t that short-sighted.

3. Blue Origin? I’ve had high hopes for the guys for two decades now. Don’t hold your breath.

4. Anyone else? Really, really don’t hold your breath.

This whole “race to the moon, part II” is almost criminally stupid. Land on the moon when we can accomplish something there, not just to prove we haven’t lost our mojo since Apollo.

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Waterluvian ◴[] No.45662078[source]
Re: 1. I think the America of Theseus mindset is a bit troubling. A lot of people like to identify with achievements that they played no role in. Based on zero expertise whatsoever, I have a sense that this is a bit self defeating. To be born a winner, to be taught you’re a winner… how can that be healthy?

Today’s America scores zero points for its accomplishments of the past. But I think one way it can be a good thing is the, “we’ve done it before, we can do it again” attitude. Which is somewhat opposite to “we already won!”

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naasking ◴[] No.45663082[source]
> A lot of people like to identify with achievements that they played no role in.

They arguably footed the bill.

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1. eru ◴[] No.45663645[source]
Are you suggesting people eg born after 1980 footed the bill for the Apollo programme?
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2. zdragnar ◴[] No.45663790[source]
To the extent that the government runs on debt, that's something of a given.
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3. eru ◴[] No.45665163[source]
Debt just shifts resources around in the present, but can't magic new resources into existence.

(Unless you borrow from foreigners, which taps resources from outside the country that later have to be paid back. But I'm not sure the Apollo programme was financed with foreign loans?)

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4. zdragnar ◴[] No.45668534{3}[source]
Interest and repayment of the debt happens in the future. Though the government does sell bonds to individuals and organizations, much of the financing comes from the federal reserve.
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5. eru ◴[] No.45676145{4}[source]
The federal reserve only 'prints money'. It doesn't create any real resources.

If one part of society sells bonds to another part of society, no real resources from the future have traveled back in time.