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greymalik ◴[] No.45659146[source]
> One could only wonder why they became a programmer in the first place, given their seeming disinterest in coding.

To solve problems. Coding is the means to an end, not the end itself.

> careful configuration of our editor, tinkering with dot files, and dev environments

That may be fun for you, but it doesn’t add value. It’s accidental complexity that I am happy to delegate.

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bcrosby95 ◴[] No.45659328[source]
The point of most jobs in the world is to "solve problems". So why did you pick software over those?
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whynotminot ◴[] No.45659755[source]
Why would someone who likes solving problems choose a very lucrative career path solving problems… hmmm

You can also solve problems as a local handyman but that doesn’t pad the 401K quite as well as a career in software.

I feel like there’s a lot of tech-fetishist right now on the “if you don’t deeply love to write code then just leave!” train without somehow realizing that most of us have our jobs because we need to pay bills, not because it’s our burning passion.

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veegee ◴[] No.45659974[source]
Sounds like a mediocre developer. No respect for people like you.
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0x457 ◴[] No.45660399[source]
A bit harsh off a single post. I like solving problems, not just software engineering problems and I like writing code as a hobby, but I went to this job field only due to high salary and benefits.

In fact, I usually hate writing code at day job because it is boring things 20 out of 26 sprints.

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Barrin92 ◴[] No.45661593[source]
>A bit harsh off a single post.

I don't think it is. Labeling passion and love for your work "tech fetishism", is spiritually bankrupt. Mind you we're in general here not talking about people working in a mine to survive, which is a different story.

But people who do have a choice in their career, doing something they have no love for solely to add more zeros to their bank account? That is the fetish, that is someone who has himself become an automaton. It's no surprise they seem to take no issues with LLMs because they're already living like one. Like how devoid of curiosity do you have to be to do something half your waking life that you don't appreciate if you're very likely someone who has the freedom to choose?

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0x457 ◴[] No.45661715{3}[source]
> Like how devoid of curiosity do you have to be to do something half your waking life that you don't appreciate if you're very likely someone who has the freedom to choose?

Do you understand work-life balance? I get paid to do the job, I satisfy my curiosities in my free-time.

> But people who do have a choice in their career, doing something they have no love for solely to add more zeros to their bank account?

Because I doubt finding a well paying job that you love is something that is achievable in our society, at least not for most people.

IMO, the real fetishization here is "work is something more than a way to get paid" that's a corporate propaganda I'm not falling for.

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1. Barrin92 ◴[] No.45661963{4}[source]
>Because I doubt finding a well paying job that you love is something that is achievable in our society,

Which is why I stressed twice, including in the part you chose to quote, that I am talking about people who can achieve that. If you have to take care of your sick grandmother, you don't need to feel addressed.

But if you did have the resources to choose a career, like many people who comment here, and you ended up a software developer completely devoid of passion for the craft you're living like a Severance character. You don't get to blame the big evil corporations for a lack of dedication to a craft. You don't need to work for one to be a gainfully employed programmer, and even if you do and end up on a deadbeat project, you can still love what you do.

This complete indifference to what you produce, complete alienation from work, voluntarily chosen is a diseased attitude.

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2. 0x457 ◴[] No.45672358[source]
> If you have to take care of your sick grandmother, you don't need to feel addressed.

That's not what am I saying at all. Unless you have Stockholm syndrome about your job, it's very hard to find a well paying job that you can love.

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3. int_19h ◴[] No.45687574[source]
It is much harder than it used to be, and the big reason why is because we've meekly accepted the slow enshittification of our craft in the past.