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The Programmer Identity Crisis

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270 points imasl42 | 7 comments | 21 Oct 25 16:47 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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greymalik ◴[21 Oct 25 17:55 UTC] No.45659146[source]▶
> One could only wonder why they became a programmer in the first place, given their seeming disinterest in coding.

To solve problems. Coding is the means to an end, not the end itself.

> careful configuration of our editor, tinkering with dot files, and dev environments

That may be fun for you, but it doesn’t add value. It’s accidental complexity that I am happy to delegate.

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dingnuts ◴[21 Oct 25 18:10 UTC] No.45659373[source]▶
A chef who sharpens his knives should stop because it doesn't add value

A contractor who prefers a specific brand of tool is wrong because the tool is a means to an end

This is what you sound like. Just because you don't understand the value of a craftsman picking and maintaining their tools doesn't mean the value isn't real.

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senordevnyc ◴[21 Oct 25 18:41 UTC] No.45659845[source]▶
Yes, but the point of being a chef is the food, not the knives. If there's a better way to prepare food than a knife, but you refuse to change, are you really a chef? Or are you a chef knife enthusiast?
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1. jay_kyburz ◴[21 Oct 25 19:30 UTC] No.45660539{3}[source]▶
A closer analogy would be a chef who chooses to have a robot cut his tomatoes. If the robot did it perfect every time I'm sure he would use the robot. If the robot mushed the tomatoes some of the time, would he spend time carefully inspecting the tomatoes? or would he just cut them himself?
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2. senordevnyc ◴[21 Oct 25 20:05 UTC] No.45660993[source]▶
Even if the robot did it perfectly, you'd still have posts like these lamenting the loss of the craft of cutting tomatoes. And they're not wrong!

I guess I don't understand posts like this IF you think you can do it better without LLMs. I mean, if using AI makes you miserable because you love the craft of programming, AND you think using AI is a net loss, then just...don't use it?

But I think the problem here that all these posts are speaking to is that it's really hard to compete without using AI. And I sympathize, genuinely. But also...are we knife enthusiasts or chefs?

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3. ThrowawayR2 ◴[21 Oct 25 22:26 UTC] No.45662514[source]▶
There are chefs but they are not us. Though it will upset many to hear it, what we are is fast food workers, assembling and reheating prepackaged stuff provided to us. Now a machine threatens to do the assembling and reheating for us, better and faster than we on average do.

The chefs coming up with recipes and food scientists doing the pre-packaging will do fine and are still needed. The people making the fast food machine will also do well for themselves. The rest of us fast food workers, well, not so much...

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4. jay_kyburz ◴[21 Oct 25 22:40 UTC] No.45662648{3}[source]▶
You'll be doing fine too, just doing other work.

And you can see it coming so there is plenty of time to prepare.

5. senordevnyc ◴[21 Oct 25 23:03 UTC] No.45662864{3}[source]▶
Absolutely true. In my case, I'm trying to run a restaurant, so this is all excellent news for me.
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6. trashchomper ◴[22 Oct 25 04:52 UTC] No.45665001[source]▶
I genuinely don't think it's hard to compete. I use AI sometimes, I don't use it more than I use it. I find myself at least just-as-productive as people who primarily use AI.

I personally tire of people acting like it's some saving grace that doubles/triples/100x your productivity and not a tool that may give you 10-20% uplift just like any other tool

7. ThrowawayR2 ◴[22 Oct 25 15:11 UTC] No.45670371{4}[source]▶
Not really even for people running a restaurant. The fast food machine means that a dozen competitors can spring up to compete with most restaurant's niche overnight unless they are serving up something truly special. (And they're not because if they were, the fast food machine would be wholly inadequate to churn out their menu.) Success comes down to other factors like marketing and blind luck winning customers.