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Alibaba Cloud says it cut Nvidia AI GPU use by 82% with new pooling system

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521 points hd4 | 11 comments | 20 Oct 25 12:31 UTC | HN request time: 0.345s | source | bottom
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hunglee2 ◴[20 Oct 25 12:59 UTC] No.45643396[source]▶
The US attempt to slow down China's technological development succeeds on the basis of preventing China from directly following the same path, but may backfire in the sense it forces innovation by China in a different direction. The overall outcome for us all may be increase efficiency as a result of this forced innovation, especially if Chinese companies continue to open source their advances, so we may in the end have reason to thank the US for their civilisational gate keeping
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1. myth_drannon ◴[20 Oct 25 14:57 UTC] No.45644671[source]▶
China's innovation relies on the stolen western IP, without it, China is nothing. Also USSR/Russia is no longer a scientific powerhouse that can supply China with some military innovation. A dictatorship combined with cheap labour it 100% guarantees that the country's innovation is stunted, no matter what the Chinese propaganda claims.
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2. Hikikomori ◴[20 Oct 25 15:09 UTC] No.45644826[source]▶
And the US has never stolen IP?
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3. myth_drannon ◴[20 Oct 25 15:15 UTC] No.45644891[source]▶
Corporate espionage is ever present but it is criminalized. The only time US as a country did that you can say "stole IP" was after WII when it took Nazi rocket scientists and technology. China is the opposite; stealing tech is done by the state apparatus (same was done by USSR and reverse engineering computers for example).

Frankly I'm not surprised that this is done, probably if US was so behind it would have done the same to reduce the gap. Everyone is trying to survive and outsmart and outwit the other, instead of collaborating.

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4. currydove ◴[20 Oct 25 15:26 UTC] No.45645022{3}[source]▶
Negative.

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/the-spies-who-...

https://yawboadu.substack.com/p/stealing-success-how-ip-thef...

https://ipwatchdog.com/2017/07/05/americas-industrial-revolu...

5. g8oz ◴[20 Oct 25 15:33 UTC] No.45645110{3}[source]▶
You are mistaken about American intellectual property theft. They engaged in extensive IP theft from Britain in the 18th and 19th century with the encouragement of the government. See https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/the-spies-who-...

Also during World War I the American government seized German chemical patents thereby launching the American chemical industry. So that is an example of theft by the state apparatus.

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6. lossolo ◴[20 Oct 25 15:43 UTC] No.45645199[source]▶
Every single sentence you wrote is untrue and can be disproven by empirical evidence. You can learn about it here[1][2].

1. https://itif.org/publications/2024/09/16/china-is-rapidly-be...

2. https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/...

7. zorked ◴[20 Oct 25 16:33 UTC] No.45645810{3}[source]▶
NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden (2014)

https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

8. myth_drannon ◴[20 Oct 25 21:41 UTC] No.45649766{4}[source]▶
I'm talking about modern times, after WW2. Not when US had slavery and lynching, blacks was a form of entertainment.
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9. thelastgallon ◴[21 Oct 25 06:37 UTC] No.45653079[source]▶
No, they haven't! https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88...
10. DiogenesKynikos ◴[21 Oct 25 12:17 UTC] No.45654894[source]▶
Nowadays, China produces about the same amount of high-quality R&D as the US does.

Your view of China is several decades out of date. Chinese labor isn't even that cheap any more. China is moving up the value chain and outsourcing production that needs cheap labor to poorer countries (or replacing workers with robots altogether).

11. philippejara ◴[21 Oct 25 15:47 UTC] No.45657237{5}[source]▶
After it took over and solidified itself as the world leader at it of course there was no need to steal IP anymore, most of it is registered there already and to the benefit of their nation. I'm sure people a hundred years from now will be having similar conversations if china or someone else takes the us's place and naturally starts caring about IP(and the runner ups stop caring).