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madacol ◴[] No.45537701[source]
Even if Venezuela goes to hell even deeper, she still deserves the prize for what she has already done!

The way she, and her team, managed to convince venezuelans that the election mattered, and to prepare to gather the evidence of the elections under constant threats from the government, that we all knew they were going to steal, and do it entirely peacefully, was an extremely impressive achievement on its own.

What an impressive act of coordination from MCM

:standing-ovation:

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jmyeet ◴[] No.45540593[source]
Disclaimer: I'm not accusing you of (intentionally or unintentionally) doing this but your comment brought up the issue.

For a lot of horrific events in the world, you will find a bias exposed by the use of active vs passive voice. Compare:

- "100 children died". How?

- "100 children killed". By whom? Why? How?

- "100 children killed in conflict". Between who? How? Why?

' "100 children killed in air strike on refugee camp by X". Oh...

The point is that a lot of people treat what is happening in Venezuela like it's some kind of unavoidable natural disaster like an earthquake. This reinforces the idea that nobody is responsible and, more improtantly, there's nothing we can do.

Venezuelans are being intentionally starved to death by economic sanctions (that's what sactions are). Why? Because Maduro is bad. Sound familiar? It should. Castro was bad. Saddam Hussein was bad (despite being a US puppet for decades).

The actual issue is that these people threaten the interests of Western companies. That's it. That's the only thing that matters.

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tim333 ◴[] No.45540792[source]
It's debatable who's fault starvation is. Maduro might have something to do with it. I'm not sure how it threatens western companies.
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1. astrange ◴[] No.45542582[source]
GenX leftists think every problem in the world is caused by "corporations" and if you think any given problem is not caused by "corporations" they will assume you're lying. It goes beyond believing in conspiracy theories; they're literally incapable of believing in something /unless/ it's a conspiracy theory.

Most recent examples being "climate change is caused by 100 companies" and "housing prices are caused by BlackRock" which are both entirely fictional.

(There is an obvious rightist equivalent of this which has historically caused a lot more problems.)

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2. jmyeet ◴[] No.45543616[source]
Letter from the President and Prime Minister Mossadegh on the Oil Situation and the Problem of Aid to Iran dated July 9, 1953 (emphasis added) [1]:

> It was primarily because of that hope that the United States Government during the last two years has made earnest efforts to assist in eliminating certain differences between Iran and the United Kingdom which have arisen as a result of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. It has been the belief of the United States that the reaching of an agreement in the matter of compensation would strengthen confidence throughout the world in the determination of Iran fully to adhere to the principles which render possible a harmonious community of free nations; that it would contribute to the strengthening of the international credit standing of Iran; and that it would lead to the solution of some of the financial and economic problems at present facing Iran.

Effect on National Security Interests in Latin America of Possible Anti-Trust Proceedings, June 1, 1953 [2]:

> Elsewhere in Central America, institution of the action would greatly stimulate movements to nationalize the properties of the Company. Such nationalization is now threatened to some degree in all countries in which the Company operates, particularly in Costa Rica through the possible accession to the presidency of Jose Figueres, who is not a Communist but is openly speaking of nationalization. To the extent such nationalization is achieved, it would not only affect a private company, but would have direct and far-reaching repercussions on our strategic position.

National Intelligent Estimate: CHILE: THE ALTERNATIVES FACING THE ALLENDE REGIME, June 29, 1972 [3]:

> n the basis of the record so far, Chile’s future course remains to a large extent an open issue. To be sure, the regime carried out a substantial part of its program during its first year, particularly in the economic area. With little effective opposition—indeed, in many cases with a broad consensus—Allende nationalized key economic sectors, redistributed income in favor of the poorer classes, and accelerated land expropriation.

[1]: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/exchange-messages-...

[2]: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1952-54v04...

[3]: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76ve1...

3. energy123 ◴[] No.45544083[source]
This is the issue with all populist ideologies, where there is one monolithic boogieman that explains all ills. The real world just doesn't work like that. It's an interesting case study into confirmation bias and bad quality thinking, I guess.