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SeanAnderson ◴[] No.45532414[source]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/obra/dotfiles/6e088092406c... contains the following entry:

"- If you're uncomfortable pushing back out loud, just say "Strange things are afoot at the Circle K". I'll know what you mean"

Most of the rules seem rationale. This one really stands out as abnormal. Anyone have any idea why the engineer would have felt compelled to add this rule?

This is from https://blog.fsck.com/2025/10/05/how-im-using-coding-agents-... mentioned in another comment

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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF ◴[] No.45532558[source]
Naively, I assume it's a way of getting around sycophancy. There's many lines that seem to be doing that without explicitly saying "don't be a sycophant" (I mean, you can only do that so much).

The LLM would be uncomfortable pushing back because that's not being a sycophant so instead of that it says something that is... let's say unlikely to be generated, except in that context, so the user can still be cautioned against a bad idea.

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SeanAnderson ◴[] No.45532593[source]
Is it your impression that this rules statement would be effective? Or is it more just a tell-tale sign of an exasperated developer?
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1. lcnPylGDnU4H9OF ◴[] No.45533065{3}[source]
Assuming that's why it was added, I wouldn't be confident saying how likely it is to be effective. Especially with there being so many other statements with seemingly the same intent, I think it suggests desperation more, but it may still be effective. If it said the phrase just once and that sparked a conversation around an actual problem, then it was probably worth adding.

For what it's worth, I am very new to prompting LLMs but, in my experience, these concepts of "uncomfortable" and "pushing back" seem to be things LLMs generate text about so I think they understand sentiment fairly well. They can generally tell that they are "uncomfortable" about their desire to "push back" so it's not implausible that one would output that sentence in that scenario.

Actually, I've been wondering a bit about the "out loud" part, which I think is referring to <think></think> text (or similar) that "reasoning" models generate to help increase the likelihood of accurate generation in the answer that follows. That wouldn't be "out loud" and it might include text like "I should push back but I should also be a total pushover" or whatever. It could be that reasoning models in particular run into this issue (in their experience).