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bluGill ◴[] No.45387448[source]
Don't be fooled, paying less won't help much since the cost of a bus is a small part of the costs of running a bus route. about half your costs are the bus driver. The most expensive bus is still only 1/3rd of your hourly cost of running the bus. If a more expensive bus is more reliable that could more than make up for a more expensive bus (I don't have any numbers to do math on though).

Half the costs of running a bus route are the driver's labor. The other half needs to pay for maintenance, the cost of the bus, and all the other overhead.

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esafak ◴[] No.45388984[source]
I'm hearing you say we should have self-driving buses... which is feasible since their route is fixed.
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kjkjadksj ◴[] No.45389011[source]
Bus driver also does things like trigger ramp for handicapped people, strap in wheelchairs securely, answer questions about the route, and security surveillance.
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cyberax ◴[] No.45389417[source]
You can have a fleet of specialized self-driving taxis for people with disabilities. They can have articulated ramps or other special accommodations.
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jodrellblank ◴[] No.45391534[source]
You could have trams and trains with level boarding which helps people who don't have disabilities too, costs less, takes less space in the city, makes less noise, needs less maintenance, and moves more people.
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cyberax ◴[] No.45391629[source]
Except that they don't cost less. And are more inconvenient, especially if you can't move a lot. And they're slower, and will require you to make a transfer. And don't run at night.

But otherwise,yeah. Sure.

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zbentley ◴[] No.45395331[source]
Slower? In top speed maybe, but not in time-to-destination (or, given congested streets, average speed).

Trains “require” you to make a transfer? Depends on your city, I guess; many train systems are hub-and-spoke-like enough (and dense enough) that common commutes don’t require any transfers. Also, I’m curious whether bus-centric mass transit requires more or fewer transfers than train-centric or hybrid.

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cyberax ◴[] No.45398847[source]
> Slower? In top speed maybe, but not in time-to-destination (or, given congested streets, average speed).

Yep. Transit is ALWAYS slower on average compared to cars. It is faster only in a very narrow set of circumstances.

Try an experiment: drop 10 random points inside a city, and plot routes between them for cars and transit (you can use Google Maps API). Transit will be on average 2-3 times slower, even in the rush hour.

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1. jodrellblank ◴[] No.45453804[source]
The grass is greener where you water it. Try an experiment: don't give over the entire public space to cars, so there's no on-street parking, no surface parking lots, and the driving routes are narrow, and always give priority to people outside a car without them having to wait while pedestrian crossings give priority to cars, and then compare.