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itake ◴[] No.45421702[source]
I’m not sure where they’re getting their data about companies not hiring juniors.

In 2021, 104,874 CS students graduated—the highest number ever [0] (1.5x more than the 4 years prior). But the job postings 2022-2025 have certainly not maintained that trajectory.

If the number of graduates keeps climbing while the total number of jobs shrinks, then naturally more new grads will struggle to find work.

Playing devil’s advocate: some “senior” folks may now be competing with juniors, since they’re willing to take lower titles or pay just to stay employed. I’m not sure how much that actually shifts the market, considering companies famously don't hire overqualified people and tech workers face age-ism risk.

[0] - https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d22/tables/dt22_322.10.a...

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ThrownOffGame ◴[] No.45421814[source]
My final stretch of employment lasted from May 2020-March 2024. My company went through mergers and acquisitions and 4 rounds of layoffs, and I managed to tenaciously hang in there (I was even "terminated" 4 times but they just kept re-hiring me!)

I was definitely competing with entry-level kids who had just graduated, even those who had just graduated from the boot camps we provided. And I was hired with no college degree, no certifications, and nothing relevant on my résumé since 1999. So yeah, I got minimum-wage treatment.

It was a fantastic, cushy WFH job. The parameters were ideal for my style. The supervisors were very, very patient and encouraging. I was a rock star, if I do say so myself, but there were plenty of competent colleagues who had plenty to contribute in the same role as me.

Eventually I earned 3 certifications and a college completion certificate, and that made zero difference. No raises, no promotions, no acknowledgements of my achievements from my employer.

So, college isn't all it's cracked up to be. Yes, seniors are competing with juniors and entry-levels. It's fierce. Be the best and do your best, and don't be reluctant to settle for a good employer.

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alephnerd ◴[] No.45421873[source]
Sadly, WFH is de facto dead unless you want to compete with Parul in Pune, Pavel in Prague, and Peter in PEI.

If anyone wants to be justified getting hired in this market and not be offshored, they will need to be in an area with a large density of tech jobs in order to find the next opportunity to land AND go into the office a couple days a week.

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1. ponector ◴[] No.45422938[source]
>> Parul in Pune, Pavel in Prague, and Peter in PEI

Nowadays they also have a push to RTO to local offshoring center.

Managers are managers everywhere and want to see their slaves sitting in order behind their desks.