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DudeOpotomus ◴[] No.45397851[source]
In many municipalities, it would be cheaper to run on demand van service for people than run busses. Not only would it get people to and from their actual homes and work, vans are cheap and readily available. Paying more drivers is cheaper than buying and maintaining multi million dollar busses that are empty a lot of the time.

In most of CA, most homes are far from bus lines. Making their use prohibitive for all but those who must use them. I know they do something like this in LA. People love it.

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kjkjadksj ◴[] No.45398052[source]
Metro micro doesn’t scale at all. It is still limited to pilot study areas. Cost per trip is absurd compared to traditional bussing. One of the stated goals of the next gen bus plan in LA was to get a bus stop in a 10 min walk of 85% of the workers in LA county and this was achieved.

The real trouble with transit is people choose where they live based on car convenience rather than transit convenience. So they open an app and go “gee I can drive to work in 30 mins but I have to take two or three busses and three times the time on transit.” And write it off forever, rather than considering that they could have optimized their housing for a 30 min single bus transit commute when seeking housing convenient to work. The way LA county is developed is that there are apartments basically in every neighborhood anyhow without very strong neighborhood specific effects on pricing. Housing a little more neighborhood specific but that changes as townhomes and other sort of not-detached-sfh buying opportunities come to bear generally in neighborhoods with demand for a song compared to detached housing.

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1. rootusrootus ◴[] No.45398106[source]
> rather than considering that they could have optimized their housing for a 30 min single bus transit commute when seeking housing convenient to work

In many places I've lived, this optimization would need to be re-done every job change and you would probably need to move, because it's as much about where the job is as where your house is.

The thing about optimizing for a good commute in a car is that you're way more likely to be at least average or better even if your job location changes.

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2. kjkjadksj ◴[] No.45398247[source]
With the way traffic works in LA county that isn’t so much the case. Rush hour speeds are like 15mph or less no matter surface streets or freeways. Really large geographic area too. Other metros where you can move at more or less 60mph even in rush hour I agree.