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bahmboo ◴[] No.45392244[source]
Seems like a good time to highlight this video from Grin Technologies and their experience with ebikes over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j92Gt4VviSQ

Summary Statement: He summarizes the results of the "sabotaging" attempts by saying, "we just couldn't for the life of ourselves get a nonprotected modern lithium battery to do anything" [02:40:27], in terms of causing a fire. (referring to 18650s)

There are certainly problems out there with cells but it was a surprising statement from someone with a ton of real-world experience. Also they are a very conscientious company so they don't deal with dodgy stuff if they can avoid it.

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bahmboo ◴[] No.45393069[source]
It's a long video but one takeaway is to only use cells from the top manufacturers: Samsung, Panasonic, LG and Sony. They are amazingly safe.
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mixedbit ◴[] No.45394053[source]
Unfortunately, for products with batteries in non-standard form factors, we rarely have a choice of a manufacturer. For example, with home robot vacuums, we can only hope that brands will use top quality cells, but the information what cells are used is not even available to the customer. My Neato vacuum still runs great, but now that the company is out of business, my only battery replacement options are from no-name brands, with zero visibility of what cells are used internally.
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1. rollcat ◴[] No.45394382[source]
> For example, with home robot vacuums, we can only hope that brands will use top quality cells, but the information what cells are used is not even available to the customer.

Hardware used to come with diagrams & schematics, for self-service and repair. This was a courtesy, but I guess manufacturers figured out it's better to make the consumer buy a new model. (AKA part of the reason why Commodore went bankrupt.)

Meanwhile we've been talking and implementing measures such as lists of ingredients and nutrients in food, SBOMs in software, privacy/tracking transparency, etc. Let's push it a little further.