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Neywiny ◴[] No.45366921[source]
I find their table of advertised vs actual capacity to be misleadingly negative. They only discharged to 3v. 2.7 could be viewed as more standard. 2.5 is not unheard of. For example, the vapvell 4000 they said was around 3000. They even have a note that says that isn't a reasonable capacity estimate. And yet they still put the percentage and the number. As if they've falsely advertised. However, if you go to vapcell's graphs on their website, it all tracks. Feels out of scope for the report and shouldn't have been done
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quickthrowman ◴[] No.45391469[source]
How do you even drain a 3.7V lithium ion battery below 3.3V? My devices that use 18650s will not let them go below that. Is it 3.3V nominal and the actual voltage is lower, like how they’re 4.2V fully charged?
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1. privatelypublic ◴[] No.45392775[source]
4.2v for 100% SoC (State of Charge, charging), settles down closer to 4v once charging stops (likely not exactly correct, just my rote memory). 80-90% of capacity/SoC is between 3.7-3.8v.

The remaining 10-20% is above 3.8 and below 3.70v. 4.2v is the max to ever intentionally apply to a cell, and 2.5v is the minimum anybody specs as end of discharge.

As such- the "nominal" voltage is 3.7v or 3.8v.

Possibilities for 3.3v cut off include: LEDs' combined forward Voltage, a BMS set to that voltage, high drain applications pulling the voltage below a lower (potentially much lower at 10C to 50C discharge) cutoff voltage.

These are, of course, for NMC lithium secondary/lithium ion cells. NOT LiFePO4/LFP/LTO/Na-ion.

Theres lots of FUD, but most lithium stories are Li-Po cells (cell phones, RAdio-Control, laptops). Of the Li-Po's- most of them are for RC usage without any inbuilt protection.

LiPo's are beat treated like they're ziplock baggies full of 100mL of gasoline. If you handle them, I suggest buying an Ash Pot- their double walls give you a chance of containing a flaming pack. Best to just do it outside though.