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prmph ◴[] No.45389904[source]
I don't know what western countries are thinking. The concept of an isolated nation state is fast approaching obsolescence. Very soon, it will be clear that it is meaningless to put strong restrictions on the free movement of people. And history shows that an emphasis on keeping people out is a precursor to the decline of an empire.

One thing I never understand: if people want to come to your country, that is a vote for the idea that you are doing something right. So, why not use for good? Why not designate a area of the country for the immigrants to initially settle in, using your laws and structures to provide them a better way to live? They are usually very hungry to work. Or, why not band up with other countries to establish refuge cities where the immigrants can initially settle and build new lives?

You never hear of the US etc investing in infrastructure in African countries, for e.g., it is always about a militarization effort to contain supposed terrorists.

Keeping people out betrays that your "success" is built on the back of exfiltrating resources from around the world and concentrating it in your countries, thus keeping the rest of the world poor.

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basisword ◴[] No.45389963[source]
There are many legal routes to immigration and seeking asylum. People choose to move illegally because they won’t succeed on the legal routes and know that once they’re in the country the chance of them being deported is pretty low.
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array_key_first ◴[] No.45390090[source]
The legal routes are also often strenuous, far too long lived, overly strict, and obtuse.

If you barely speak the language, it's not easy. Unfortunately many countries have made immigration so hard, in an effort to combat it, that they've done the opposite - people immigrate illegally because it has a higher success rate than doing it legally.

If I apply for X, Y, and Z and I'm denied, I'm fucked. But if I just move... And then figure it out later... That might work better.

And that's how we got into this mess. A lot of this anti-immigration legislation actually increases the incentives for illegal immigration.

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bowmessage ◴[] No.45390206{3}[source]
> But if I just move... And then figure it out later... That might work better.

Yes, that's the part that needs to be fixed.

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1. prmph ◴[] No.45390444{4}[source]
It cannot be "fixed" without turning the country into a fortress.