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prmph ◴[] No.45389904[source]
I don't know what western countries are thinking. The concept of an isolated nation state is fast approaching obsolescence. Very soon, it will be clear that it is meaningless to put strong restrictions on the free movement of people. And history shows that an emphasis on keeping people out is a precursor to the decline of an empire.

One thing I never understand: if people want to come to your country, that is a vote for the idea that you are doing something right. So, why not use for good? Why not designate a area of the country for the immigrants to initially settle in, using your laws and structures to provide them a better way to live? They are usually very hungry to work. Or, why not band up with other countries to establish refuge cities where the immigrants can initially settle and build new lives?

You never hear of the US etc investing in infrastructure in African countries, for e.g., it is always about a militarization effort to contain supposed terrorists.

Keeping people out betrays that your "success" is built on the back of exfiltrating resources from around the world and concentrating it in your countries, thus keeping the rest of the world poor.

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basisword ◴[] No.45389963[source]
There are many legal routes to immigration and seeking asylum. People choose to move illegally because they won’t succeed on the legal routes and know that once they’re in the country the chance of them being deported is pretty low.
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1. prmph ◴[] No.45390412[source]
Wow, this statement is so out of touch I don't even know where to begin to rebut it.

I, a software engineer with decades of experience, and now an entrepreneur having a small startup, with funds to live for years without burdening the public purse anywhere, specking virtually native level English, and having previously lived in the US for years, would still have a _very_ hard time immigrating to any western country right now, partly because I'm from the global south (I'm Ghanaian).

If you know of any western country where moving there, even temporarily, is as simple as applying with my information, let me know.