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1. noelwelsh ◴[] No.45387009[source]
I don't think Kier Starmer understands that when people voted for Labour, they were, in fact, voting for Labour, not Reform / the Tories. This proposal at least has some merit (though it is not without issues) but trying to sell it as preventing illegal work is ludicrous, attempting to appeal to the right-wing votes who will never vote Labour, and giving control of the conversation to the Weasel in Chief, Nigel Farage.
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2. robin_reala ◴[] No.45387091[source]
People vote for an idea of Labour that Labour in the last 25 years has not been able to live up to unfortunately.
3. Lio ◴[] No.45387096[source]
If he doesn't realise that then he probably also doesn't realise that all this dictatorship tooling he's installing is more than likely going to fall into the hands of Reform at the next election.

He'll have to live with the consequences as will the rest of us.

4. octo888 ◴[] No.45387266[source]
The voters misunderstood too. How much evidence and examples from the period of 1997-2010 did people need? All a quick google away

A harsh lesson in believing the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Though mostly in the UK it's usually just apathetic "well time for the other party to have go" (due to 14 years of the last lot) more than anything more educated

5. Macha ◴[] No.45387308[source]
Their strategy seems to be that they think their left flank is secure and they need to pull to the right to secure Tory voters who are now at a crossroads with how diminished the Tories are. Will they go to Reform? Will they go back to the Tories? The Lib Dems? It seems that Labour think some of the toughness without the undertones that Reform often has might grab them some of their voters. Maybe the implosion of Your Party gives them a feeling of more security on the left flank.

But yeah, this abandonment of the issues they traditionally represented to try and attract the soft centre right voters might not cause their traditional base to vote for the Tories. But it might send their centrists to the Lib Dems, their lefties to the Greens/SNP/etc and their "I just want change, any change" supporters to Reform. Along with increasing apathy and reducing turnout on their former core. Polling certainly seems to indicate that this is happening.

6. aembleton ◴[] No.45391874[source]
I've always associated Labour with ID cards, so this feels right for Labour. Last time they pretended it was needed to prevent terrorism as that was the issue de jour but this time it's immigration.