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remarkEon ◴[] No.45382398[source]
>The proposals are the government's latest bid to tackle illegal immigration, with the new ID being a form of proof of a citizen's right to live and work in the UK.

How does a digital ID solve an illegal immigration problem? I watched the video and the suggestion is that this makes it easier for employers to verify that someone is authorized to work. Is that actually true? I don't live in the UK and have not visited in several years. If the idea is that a digital ID authorizes employment ... well I hope people can see the problem, here.

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mrtksn ◴[] No.45382656[source]
The banks and service providers can ask for your digital ID, the employers can ask for your digital ID and when that becomes the standart you will have very hard time to have a life in UK without having all the permissions.

Most of EU and many other countries have something like that, at least you have a citizenship or resident number that they can check against to see what's your situation.

In UK though, everything is run over proof of address and it's quite annoying for new immigrants(legal or not) because its circular. You can't have anything that can be used as proof of address without having proof of address already. At some point you manage to break circle by first having something that doesn't require proof of address but it is serious enough to be accepted as one, i.e. I know people who were riding the tube without tapping in so that when they are caught the government will send them a letter about their fine and they can use the letter to open a bank account.

The Turkish version is both great, annoying and terrible.Great because you can do all your government stuff and some other stuff like see your full medical history, make an appointment etc or managing your service subscription(water, electricity, cable. GSM etc) from the government portal. Annoying because whatever you buy beyond groceries now they are asking for your ID number and all purchases are becoming a chore. Terrible because these systems are regularly hacked and all your private data is online for sale and some even run an API to access your govt stuff live.

It works fine to manage legal immigration, you give the immigrants the ID so the can have their subscriptions etc. Once they are no longer wanted you know where to find them and make providers cut them off. It doesn't work for illegal immigrants because since they can't register to anything they end up just asking a friend to start them a subscription or pay extra to have some employee start them a subscription that in the records look like its for the employee.

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wsc981[dead post] ◴[] No.45382802[source]
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scott_w ◴[] No.45383066[source]
Back up your claim or stop telling lies.
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carlosjobim[dead post] ◴[] No.45383158[source]
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mrtksn ◴[] No.45383199[source]
I don't think anyone denies the existence of immigrants. The disagreement is over the how good they are having it.

Can I see some of these pages please? Let's have a look at the life of an illegal immigrant and see how great it is

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1. carlosjobim ◴[] No.45383346[source]
Just pick a country and start digging. It's not difficult. You can easily find web pages from different government departments, detailing exactly which rights illegal immigrants have, for example when it comes to health care or accommodation. The government web pages usually have links and references to the exact laws which mandate this.

Illegal immigrants, as in people who have been denied asylum and ordered by the immigration authorities to leave the country. Yes, even those have right to many different benefits even though they refuse to leave the country.

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2. mrtksn ◴[] No.45383378[source]
Okay, I pick Sweden. Go on
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3. carlosjobim ◴[] No.45385417[source]
Just because Sweden is so easy, I'll give you a little. Then try doing something yourself instead of being lazy. Here's the public healthcare which local regions by law have to provide to asylum seekers and to illegal aliens:

https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/kunskapsstod-och-regler/omrad...

As you can see, it is quite extensive. Including abortion and health care for child birth. And of course transports to hospitals and health clinics, and an interpreter.

Here are some more regulations, detailing in which cases illegal aliens have the right to direct economic benefits from the public:

https://skr.se/skr/integrationsocialomsorg/asylochflyktingmo...

Notably, there is an "emergency situation" clause, which makes sure that even a person who has been expelled from the country and refuses to leave has a right to economic benefits.