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Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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163 points wmf | 1 comments | 24 Sep 25 22:01 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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jasoneckert ◴[24 Sep 25 22:44 UTC] No.45366812[source]▶
As someone who has used the Snapdragon X Elite (12 core Oryon) Dev Kit as a daily driver for the past year, I find this exciting. The X Elite performance still blows my mind today - so the new X2 Elite with 18 cores is likely going to be even more impressive from a performance perspective!

I can't speak to the battery life, however, since it is dismal on my Dev Kit ;-)

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typpilol ◴[24 Sep 25 22:50 UTC] No.45366858[source]▶
How's the compatibility? Are there any apps that don't work that are critical?
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electroly ◴[24 Sep 25 23:09 UTC] No.45367015[source]▶
Surface Pro 11 owner here. SQL Server won't install on ARM without hacks. Hyper-V does not support nested virtualization on ARM. Most games are broken with unplayable graphical glitches with Qualcomm video drivers, but fortunately not all. Most Windows recovery tools do not support ARM: no Media Creation Tool, no Installation Assistant, and recovery drives created on x64 machines aren't compatible [EDIT: see reply, I might be mistaken on this]. Creation of a recovery drive for a Snapdragon-based Surface (which you have to do from a working Snapdragon-based Surface) requires typing your serial code into a Microsoft website, then downloading a .zip of drivers that you manually overwrite onto the recovery media that Windows 11 creates for you.

Day-to-day, it's all fine, but I may be returning to x64 next time around. I'm not sure that I'm receiving an offsetting benefit for these downsides. Battery life isn't something that matters for me.

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brokencode ◴[24 Sep 25 23:12 UTC] No.45367050[source]▶
That’s brutal.. I wonder why the Apple Silicon transition seemed so much smoother in comparison.
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1. ndiddy ◴[25 Sep 25 13:37 UTC] No.45372497{3}[source]▶
One reason is that Apple sold subsidized devkits to developers starting around 6 months before Apple Silicon launched, while the X Elite devkit was not subsidized, came with Windows 11 Home (meaning that you had to pay another $100 to upgrade to Pro if you were an actual professional developer who needed to join the computer to your work domain), and didn't ship until after months after X Elite laptops started shipping. As a result, when the X Elite launched basically everything had to run under emulation.

I think another reason is Apple's control over the platform vs Microsoft's. Apple has the ability to say "we're not going to make any more x86 computers, you're gonna have to port your software to ARM", while Microsoft doesn't have that ability. This means that Snapdragon has to compete against Intel/AMD on its own merits. A couple months after X Elite launched, Intel started shipping laptops with the Lunar Lake architecture. This low-power x86 architecture managed to beat X Elite on battery life and thermals without having to deal with x86 emulation or poor driver support. Of course it didn't solve Intel's problems (especially since it's fabricated at TSMC rather than by Intel), but it demonstrated that you could get comparable battery life without having to switch architectures, which took a lot of wind out of X Elite's sails.