←back to thread

103 points jashmota | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.201s | source

Hey HN, We're Jash and Mahimana, cofounders of Flywheel AI (https://useflywheel.ai). We’re building a remote teleop and autonomous stack for excavators.

Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCNmNm3lQGk.

Interfacing with existing excavators for enabling remote teleop (or autonomy) is hard. Unlike cars which use drive-by-wire technology, most of the millions of excavators are fully hydraulic machines. The joysticks are connected to a pilot hydraulic circuit, which proportionally moves the cylinders in the main hydraulic circuit which ultimately moves the excavator joints. This means excavators mostly do not have an electronic component to control the joints. We solve this by mechanically actuating the joysticks and pedals inside the excavators.

We do this with retrofits which work on any excavator model/make, enabling us to augment existing machines. By enabling remote teleoperation, we are able to increase site safety, productivity and also cost efficiency.

Teleoperation by the operators enables us to prepare training data for autonomy. In robotics, training data comprises observation and action. While images and videos are abundant on the internet, egocentric (PoV) observation and action data is extremely scarce, and it is this scarcity that is holding back scaling robot learning policies.

Flywheel solves this by preparing the training data coming from our remote teleop-enabled excavators which we have already deployed. And we do this with very minimal hardware setup and resources.

During our time in YC, we did 25-30 iterations of sensor stack and placement permutations/combinations, and model hyperparams variations. We called this “evolution of the physical form of our retrofit”. Eventually, we landed on our current evolution and have successfully been able to train some levels of autonomy with only a few hours of training data.

The big takeaway was how much more important data is than optimizing hyperparams of the model. So today, we’re open sourcing 100hrs of excavator dataset that we collected using Flywheel systems on real construction sites. This is in partnership with Frodobots.ai.

Dataset: https://huggingface.co/datasets/FlywheelAI/excavator-dataset

Machine/retrofit details:

  Volvo EC380 (38 ton excavator)
  4xcamera (25fps)
  25 hz expert operator’s action data
The dataset contains observation data from 4 cameras and operator's expert action data which can be used to train imitation learning models to run an excavator autonomously for the workflows in those demonstrations, like digging and dumping. We were able to train a small autonomy model for bucket pick and place on Kubota U17 from just 6-7 hours of data collected during YC.

We’re just getting started. We have good amounts of variations in daylight, weather, tasks, and would be adding more hours of data and also converting to lerobot format soon. We’re doing this so people like you and me can try out training models on real world data which is very, very hard to get.

So please checkout the dataset here and feel free to download and use however you like. We would love for people to do things with it! I’ll be around in the thread and look forward to comments and feedback from the community!

Show context
constantcrying ◴[] No.45370521[source]
The economics of this are nonsensical. The autonomy is not going to happen any time soon, navigating a construction site safely is significantly harder than navigating traffic safely.

This leaves remote operation, which just makes no sense at all. The cost of one guy going to a construction site is never going to be more expensive than retrofitting a fleet of excavators with this hardware and building a remote operating center. Additionally these should obviously not be allowed to be used at construction sites, since remote operation in such a dangerous environment adds a totally new layer of hazards. Direct communication between operators, verbally and visually, is extremely important, to operate an excavator safely.

replies(1): >>45371808 #
1. lnsru ◴[] No.45371808[source]
I think, you must be technical guy. As a technical guy I share your negativity:-) While mining is already automated, the regular construction sites are too small, not scalable and retrofit costs are huge. Autonomous excavator is functional safety nightmare… it can not only drive, but has a huge moving metal part. And can dig holes and fall into these holes.

And last but not least, my car can’t keep lane and can’t drive itself safely in autonomous mode for 50 miles straight on clear day on highway. That’s state of art vision only system in 2025.

The salary of the skilled guy is laughable compared to heavy machinery costs. I was in a quarry on Tuesday. Two guys were operating 7000000€ machinery there, their salary is rounding error in the whole operation. Fuel over the year costs more.