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MangoToupe ◴[] No.45359791[source]
Interesting. The deregulation of airlines is already a case study of how deregulation tends to reduce competition and hurt consumers.

I suppose we’ve just given up on the concept of trying to do anything but nakedly extract profit at any cost. You’d think shareholders would be pro-competition in the end, though—I certainly would prefer that.

Edit: I mean short-term profits. As a shareholder I would prefer long-term profits via competition and diversification.

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panick21_ ◴[] No.45359860[source]
What are you talking about overall, deregulation of routes has not been bad for consumers. The opposite actually.
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hedora ◴[] No.45360479[source]
It’s been a disaster. There are fewer routes, and flying is miserable, and getting worse every year. Crashes are way up this year.

Airlines profits are basically zero per ticket. Adding $10 per trip would be some sort of fantasy land windfall for the shareholders.

Deregulation badly broke this industry.

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pfdietz ◴[] No.45360880[source]
Safety is massively improved since the days of regulation. Fares are way down in real terms. Flying might be miserable, but that's because people realize they'd rather pay less than pay more for luxuries they don't actually value very much.

Your comments remind me of the arguments Ma Bell gave to justify their monopoly. Oh noez, quality will suffer if there's telecom competition. Well, people ended up being willing to make the tradeoff.

You did score a hit with airline profits being low. The whole purpose of regulation was to artificially inflate prices to ensure profits for airlines.

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ghaff ◴[] No.45361058[source]
>they'd rather pay less than pay more for luxuries they don't actually value very much

Basically. I have used a combination of miles and co-pays to upgrade to business trans-Pacific. But most of the time going from the east coast US to Europe (especially when I can do it without a red-eye to London), I end up thinking of all the nice stuff I could do with $5K at the cost of sort of a miserable flight.

It's not that I couldn't splurge but there are other things I'd generally prefer to splurge on.

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1. pfdietz ◴[] No.45362766[source]
One reason flights are more miserable is planes are more heavily loaded. Before deregulation, planes were usually ~50% full. Today in the US, it's about 84%.

This is directly correlated with airfares. Were planes as sparsely loaded now as they were then then fares would be correspondingly higher. But in a deregulated environment there's a very strong incentive for increased economic efficiency to keep the fares competitive.