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Designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization

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147 points Kye | 10 comments | 22 Sep 25 23:16 UTC | HN request time: 0.003s | source | bottom
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lostlogin ◴[22 Sep 25 23:44 UTC] No.45341040[source]▶
> Antifa as a Terrorist Threat. Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law.

Does it? Or does it call for the Trump administration to be overthrown?

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1. bluefirebrand ◴[22 Sep 25 23:46 UTC] No.45341066[source]▶
Do you think that talking about overthrowing the legitimately elected government should not qualify as "terrorist threat"?
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2. lostlogin ◴[22 Sep 25 23:49 UTC] No.45341091[source]▶
So how would that compare with Trumps crowd storming the capitol?

That was apparently fine, but antifa calling for it (if that even happened) is terrorism?

Politicians call for governments to resign/quit etc on a regular basis. Happened here in New Zealand last week.

3. whoamii ◴[22 Sep 25 23:49 UTC] No.45341093[source]▶
As long as we consider the Jan 6 rioters terrorists as well, I’m good.
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4. ternaryoperator ◴[22 Sep 25 23:59 UTC] No.45341180[source]▶
Terrorism generally has specific elements; violence done against civilians for political or religious ends. So the Oklahoma City bombing would be terrorism, but the mass shooting in Las Vegas would not be. Unless calling for the overthrow of the govt includes a call to violence against civilians, it would not fit the traditional definition of terrorism.
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5. amanaplanacanal ◴[23 Sep 25 00:13 UTC] No.45341309[source]▶
They were just picnickers out having a good time. I guess.
6. bluefirebrand ◴[23 Sep 25 00:55 UTC] No.45341613[source]▶
I'm fine with that, in case you think this was some kinda gotcha
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7. navane ◴[23 Sep 25 08:27 UTC] No.45344307{3}[source]▶
Jan 6 happened and is pardoned. "Overthrowing the government" is just talk.

Shifting the focus on that talk is rethoric, this talk is unimportant and inconsequential compared to Jan 6.

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8. lostlogin ◴[23 Sep 25 09:43 UTC] No.45344820[source]▶
Is violent language terrorism? Most definitions seem to include physical violence. But not all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

9. ModernMech ◴[23 Sep 25 13:56 UTC] No.45347118{4}[source]▶
I believe the phrase they used to describe J6 was "legitimate political discourse" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/politics/republicans-j...
10. queenkjuul ◴[23 Sep 25 18:22 UTC] No.45350880[source]▶
Are they threatening violence against the public (you know, terrorism) or not? Governments can be overthrown without violence, let alone terrorism