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donatj ◴[] No.45337137[source]
$10,000? That's a slap on the wrist. I don't say this lightly, this should have been jail time for someone. You're making a mockery of our most sacred institutions.
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1. Analemma_ ◴[] No.45337440[source]
There's something grimly hilarious about knee-jerk demands for jail time for [other profession] for using AI, when a bunch of us here are eagerly adopting it into our own workflows as fast as we can.

Why jail time for lawyers who use Chat-GPT, but not programmers? Are we that unimportant compared to the actual useful members of society, whose work actually has to be held to standards?

I don't think you meant it this way, but it feels like a frank admission that what we do has no value, and so compared to other people who have to be correct, it's fine for us to slather on the slop.

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3. pkaye ◴[] No.45337971[source]
> Why jail time for lawyers who use Chat-GPT, but not programmers? Are we that unimportant compared to the actual useful members of society, whose work actually has to be held to standards?

Programmers generally don't need a degree or license to work. Anyone can become a programmer after a few weeks of work. There are no exams to pass unlike doctors or lawyers.

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4. dingnuts ◴[] No.45338005[source]
> when a bunch of us here are eagerly adopting it into our own workflows as fast as we can.

speak for yourself. some of us are ready to retire and/or looking for parts of the field where code generation is verboten, for various reasons.

5. s1artibartfast ◴[] No.45338060[source]
All the more reason to have insanely harsh punishments!

In absence of mitigations like laws and exams, it makes more important to use criminal and civil law to punish bad programmers.

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6. rpdillon ◴[] No.45338427[source]
The jail time wouldn't be for using AI. It would be for submitting a document to the court that would have gotten an F in any law school.

Sort of like recklessly vibe coding and pushing to prod. The cardinal rule with AI is that we should all be free to use it, but we're still equally responsible for the output we produce, regardless of the tooling we use to get there. I think that applies equally across professions.

7. pkaye ◴[] No.45338989{3}[source]
What about if the programmer job was offshored?
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8. s1artibartfast ◴[] No.45339877{4}[source]
relevance?
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9. pkaye ◴[] No.45341363{5}[source]
Will the same criminal and civil laws be used if the software was developed by programmers in another country?
10. dns_snek ◴[] No.45357814[source]
It's not just for "using AI", it's for professional misconduct including negligence.

There should be a system where software developers are held personally responsible for various offenses, e.g. helping their employers break laws, but there also need to be legal protections that allow us to refuse such work without facing repercussions.