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Universities should be more than toll gates

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140 points wdib | 1 comments | 21 Sep 25 07:19 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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keiferski ◴[21 Sep 25 09:57 UTC] No.45321397[source]▶
Well, they used to be, but the modern industrial age needed institutions that could train workers - and universities fit the bill. I don’t think it’s possible to detach the credential aspect from universities without a parallel work-focused system existing, and even then, the prestige of universities will still mean that the wealthy and privileged will prefer universities, which means that that prestige will trickle down to everyone else.

The only real solution IMO is to support institutions like St. John’s [1] and others that are explicitly not career-focused, and work on making similar institutions affordable and accessible. There’s no real reason why someone can’t start a student-operated (to keep costs down) university that focuses on the liberal arts, classics, mathematics, etc. that is affordable enough for the average person. I suspect the main problem is the lack of prestige and precariousness of the economy at large.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John%27s_College_(Annapoli...

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kazen44 ◴[21 Sep 25 10:34 UTC] No.45321557[source]▶
I think this is also a specific difference between germanic education and english/us education.

Does the US not have something like a fachhochschule? A institute where peoeple are trained for specific fields/jobs? This systems seems to exist in most european countries that i know of, and it is specifically focussed on education related to a specific field or career. (this is also is there for different levels of practicality) for instance, you have also have schools for things like construction workers, hairdressers, etc etc.

University's are more seem as a very high level of education, but which does not train one for a specific job.

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keiferski ◴[21 Sep 25 10:43 UTC] No.45321598[source]▶
There are schools like this, called various things like “technical schools” or “vocational schools.” But they tend to be looked down upon by the American middle class and higher; e.g., the average parent wants their kid to go to college, any college, over a vocational school. In other words, vocational schools are (unfortunately) associated with people that don’t do well in traditional school.

From what I understand Germany is much less classist in this regard.

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1. HK-NC ◴[21 Sep 25 12:05 UTC] No.45321993[source]▶
I read a book about post WW2 England that talked about Germany and the fachhochschules, and that England had nothing like it until the 70s(?) whereas they'd been in Germany for over fifty years already at least. It also talked aboit the different cultures within coal mines between the countries and the impact that had on coal production. The English worker had an "us and them" attitude between the labourer and the site manager, whereas the germans saw themselves as parts of a larger machine altogether. Guessing whatever this attitude is, is why these schools are looked down on in the UK. This shitty attitude could very well be a remnant of the Norman invasion of Britain. We still have a north south divide and I naturally find myself "code switching" and replacing words with more cumbersome ones of French origin when speaking to southerners. Apologies for this comment being so loose and rambling.