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roughly ◴[] No.45306289[source]
I think there’s plenty of interesting debates to be had about immigration policy and its effects on the labor market, but one thing worth noting here is that the primary problem that damn near every other country on earth has isn’t immigration, it’s brain drain.

A core strategic strength of the US over the last century has been that everyone with any talent wants to come here to work, and by and large we’ve let them do so. You can argue how well that’s worked out for us - having worked with a great many extremely talented H1bs in an industry largely built by immigrants, I’d consider it pretty positive - but it damn sure hasn’t worked out well for the countries those talented folks came from.

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jpadkins ◴[] No.45306392[source]
The top end of H1B has been great for America. In the last few decades, there has been growth of abuse of the program to get mid level talent at below market rates which really hurts the middle class in America. People need to understand that most reformists don't want to get rid of the truly exceptional immigration to the US. We need to limit the volume, especially the immigrants that are directly competing with a hollowed out middle class in the US. Let me know if you want further reading on this topic.
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RealityVoid ◴[] No.45306429[source]
I am skeptical that _that_ is what's hollowing the middle class in America, it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this. But you have your story you believe, I'm resigned that the die are already cast.

It's kind of sad to see the accelerated downfall of your country.

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jpadkins ◴[] No.45306873[source]
> it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this

Have you ever considered what causes income inequality? Maybe policy that favors globalist, ownership class over salaried workers? H1B in it's current form favors owners/managers over workers! We are saying the same thing. We have to analyze the causes of income inequality in order to solve it.

I will leave you with one last thought: the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that have been more conservative over time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

policy matters!

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selimthegrim ◴[] No.45307181[source]
I am writing you from one of the two red Southern ones that is a glaring counterexample.
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3cKU ◴[] No.45308692[source]
"the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that are the least diverse" seems a better fit.
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mlrtime ◴[] No.45310264[source]
Diversity is just a statistic, it's neither good or bad in either direction.
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ThunderSizzle ◴[] No.45312504[source]
Not all forms of diversity is strength.

Mixing a wolf with a bunch of sheep isn't diversity, it's dinner time.

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1. defrost ◴[] No.45312534[source]
Racial purity ain't all it's heil'd up to be either: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38571-1 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2342731-neanderthal-fam...

Have a barbie, find some middle ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdj1TwBU1w