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bhouston ◴[] No.45308820[source]
This is actually smart. Many H1B visas are used to undermine fair labor wages for already local talent. We should ensure that H1B visas are for actual unique talent and not just to undercut local wages.

H1B is ripe with abuse - this article by Bloomberg says that half of all H1-B visas are used by Indian staffing firms that pay significantly lower than the US laborers they are replacing:

- https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-h1b-visa-middlemen-c...

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epistasis ◴[] No.45308920[source]
This is very short term thinking, in that it assumes a constant amount of work and ignores the global competition for labor.

If the US loses its massive lead in the network effects of a large labor pool, the amount of work in the US will shrink, both by moving to other countries and less overall innovation.

This is not a beneficial move for most software engineers.

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ahmeneeroe-v2 ◴[] No.45309031[source]
There is not a global competition for talent.

How many people on here can truly say that they were considering between two different countries. That doesn’t happen at scale.

There is a global competition for coming to Western Europe, Canada, and the US

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epistasis ◴[] No.45309116[source]
Not yet.

The slate of policy choices in the US is removing it from that list of countries, and will strengthen those countries' labor forces.

Right now SV salaries command a huge premium, because all of SV is predicated on increasing productivity, increasing the economic pie, and rewarding those who do so with a fraction of that gain in GDP.

Treating SV labor like plumbing or construction labor fundamentally misunderstands the dynamics and the creation of wealth.

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ahmeneeroe-v2 ◴[] No.45309208[source]
Removing demand doesn’t create more competition, the opposite in fact.

SV labor is largely not different than a skilled trade, except at the higher levels.

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epistasis ◴[] No.45309356[source]
The whole system of SV is exceptionally different, it's all about expanding productivity and GDP.

That's where the massive salaries come from, that massive wealth creation. It's not just taking larger chunks of a fixed size pie.

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1. ahmeneeroe-v2 ◴[] No.45309931[source]
What do you think an electrician is doing?

Sure some electrical capacity goes to non-productive uses, but much of it is also spent doing things like enabling widespread computer usage.

SV labor is downstream of skilled trades.

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2. epistasis ◴[] No.45310863[source]
Keeping the lights on is an absolutely essential societal function, and for keeping an economy running. But expanding the technological capacity of the US is what made us so much wealthier than any other country in the world. And expanding that technological capacity faster than the rest of the world comes from attracting the best technological innovators from the rest of the world. However, with China's and India's size, it's likely that they will now be able to overtake us without relying on much immigration.