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1806 points JustSkyfall | 15 comments | 18 Sep 25 01:37 UTC | HN request time: 0.608s | source | bottom
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jacinda ◴[18 Sep 25 06:57 UTC] No.45286414[source]▶
+1 to the other comments recommending Zulip over Mattermost. The threading model is fantastic.

Also, for a non-profit teaching coding note that they regularly have interns under the Google Summer of Code program and it's open source, so the students can even help with it.

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/programs/2025/organizati...

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1. thetridentguy ◴[18 Sep 25 07:14 UTC] No.45286533[source]▶
I believe we considered Zulip, but determined it's mobile app to be poor.
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2. sundarurfriend ◴[18 Sep 25 08:39 UTC] No.45287135[source]▶
When was it looked into? The Zulip mobile app was rewritten in Flutter recently, that version was in beta for several months and was finally made the default Zulip app about a month ago. I haven't used Mattermost so can't compare, but the Flutter Zulip is much more responsive and nice than the previous Zulip app.
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3. MaKey ◴[18 Sep 25 08:41 UTC] No.45287151[source]▶
What's poor about it? I've used it for a while and didn't notice anything bad.
4. IshKebab ◴[18 Sep 25 09:11 UTC] No.45287382[source]▶
Mattermost's mobile app is also pretty bad though.
5. willdr ◴[18 Sep 25 09:22 UTC] No.45287473[source]▶
Rewritten *into* Flutter? People should be rewriting away from Flutter.
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6. Simran-B ◴[18 Sep 25 09:25 UTC] No.45287493[source]▶
I liked Zulip a lot until that Flutter rewrite. Maybe it's more accessible now but the new look is not for me. I believe the app navigation is largely unchanged, and still doesn't quite feel right. I love the topic-based model nonetheless.
7. adastra22 ◴[18 Sep 25 09:31 UTC] No.45287533{3}[source]▶
To what? What is the alternative?
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8. matt-p ◴[18 Sep 25 09:43 UTC] No.45287620{4}[source]▶
Expo/RN TBH.
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9. adastra22 ◴[18 Sep 25 10:00 UTC] No.45287725{5}[source]▶
Looks to be some sort of subscription licensed framework, and lacks desktop support. Why should I move off an open source platform onto a hosted solution? Especially in the context of OP’s situation.
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10. elAhmo ◴[18 Sep 25 10:01 UTC] No.45287736{4}[source]▶
Native is also a good option, for something used that extensively.
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11. adastra22 ◴[18 Sep 25 10:22 UTC] No.45287868{5}[source]▶
Flutter compiles to native though? I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.
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12. p_l ◴[18 Sep 25 10:36 UTC] No.45287975{5}[source]▶
I believe Flutter was chosen because of somewhat easy way of keeping common codebase for both iOS and Android clients. Not trivial, and at least it renders natively :V
13. matt-p ◴[18 Sep 25 10:40 UTC] No.45288001{6}[source]▶
It's just react native tooling
14. skrebbel ◴[18 Sep 25 11:39 UTC] No.45288407{3}[source]▶
Why?
15. solidr53 ◴[18 Sep 25 12:28 UTC] No.45288778{6}[source]▶
Flutter "compiles to native," but the UI is just a giant canvas they paint themselves. React Native uses real native views, so you get actual platform widgets, accessibility, and OS-level optimizations instead of shipping your own game engine.

Also, Google has a habit of hyping projects then quietly killing them (I sadly took the Polymer ride).