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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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1502 points JustSkyfall | 6 comments | 18 Sep 25 01:37 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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fn-mote ◴[18 Sep 25 02:24 UTC] No.45284378[source]▶
I was ready to be unsympathetic - too bad for the company - but then I read TFA and it's a rug pull on a nonprofit teaching coding to kids....

https://hackclub.com/

(They do help clubs sell things, taking "7% of income", so they do have a revenue stream, but the money that Slack wants would pay a veritable army of student interns.)

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chrisasquith ◴[18 Sep 25 05:14 UTC] No.45285698[source]▶
Hi! Ty! And Hack club is totally free to teens and we provide travel stipends, hardware, electronics and more. (We don’t charge 7 percent to clubs to sell things :)) hack club run a fiscal sponsorship and adult-orgs using it pay us 7percent- which we use to make more things free to teens. - hack club cofounder here
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ugh123 ◴[18 Sep 25 06:11 UTC] No.45286077[source]▶
Have you thought about moving to Discord? I'm sure it won't be free for your org, but could be friendlier terms.
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1. self_awareness ◴[18 Sep 25 06:53 UTC] No.45286379[source]▶
This is hilarious. People suggesting to move to Discord, because Slack walled garden has started to profit from the vendor lock-in they've created.

This shows that many people still have no idea what's going on. That you shouldn't use Slack OR Discord.

It's really incredible, although expected.

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2. mleonarde-opv ◴[18 Sep 25 06:55 UTC] No.45286389[source]▶
is... was it Ellis island?
3. anthk ◴[18 Sep 25 07:08 UTC] No.45286496[source]▶
Yep. We millenials spent decades talking about free and libre protocols (and software) and kids today love another walled garden against another one... good luck with that.

Inb4 "IRC sucks"... Jabber/XMPP exists since late 00's (at least ready enough compared to the first versions) and there are pretty fine clients for every OS.

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4. gwd ◴[18 Sep 25 08:04 UTC] No.45286887[source]▶
Listen, I'm an old fart who may have been messing around on IRC when you were just a twinkle in your parents' eyes. IRC does suck along a lot of important metrics. The GPL open-source community-developed project I worked on for 19 years moved from IRC to Matrix several years ago, and the payoff in terms of engagement was obvious immediately.

I agree that walled gardens are a trap. But you're not going to convince people to move to free solutions without being able to recognize clearly why they walled gardens are so attractive in the first place.

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5. anthk ◴[18 Sep 25 09:42 UTC] No.45287609{3}[source]▶
I'm from 1987, are you sure? And I was talking about Jabber, not IRC.
6. nottorp ◴[18 Sep 25 10:10 UTC] No.45287786{3}[source]▶
> in terms of engagement

What's your definition of "engagement" here? Because it makes me think of social networking tactics to keep you ... well ... engaged ... the longest time possible.