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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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1332 points Qem | 4 comments | 16 Sep 25 08:24 UTC | HN request time: 2.654s | source
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leoh ◴[17 Sep 25 19:53 UTC] No.45280634[source]▶
The trouble is, what is the right medium or long term solution. If Israel militarily fails as a state, which seems to me to be an implicit aim of a significant number of anti-Israel folks, the results will make the current Gaza conflict look like a joke.
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bigyabai ◴[17 Sep 25 20:11 UTC] No.45280801[source]▶
Short-term, Israel should have pumped the breaks on disproportionate response. Dahiya doctrine never worked, and now Hamas has successfully leveraged it to win (undue!) international credibility.

If a policy of de-escalation can be honored, you can lay the groundwork for a medium/long term solution that respects all sovereign parties.

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velcrohn ◴[17 Sep 25 22:18 UTC] No.45282063[source]▶
What does de-escalation look like in Gaza? Allowing Hamas to regroup and re-arm, so they can repeat October 7 as they publicly promised to do?
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zelphirkalt ◴[17 Sep 25 23:58 UTC] No.45283026[source]▶
A newly created throwaway account, repeating the prop of a genocidal military. Surely you can do better than this.
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leoh ◴[18 Sep 25 02:24 UTC] No.45284372[source]▶
Actually it's quite a good point, because no one in this thread has suggested a sustainable long-term solution for this mutual madness. Hamas without question wishes for the total destruction of Israel.
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1. amdivia ◴[18 Sep 25 05:33 UTC] No.45285815[source]▶
Define the destruction of Israel as Hamas sees it, because I think alot of details are getting lost there, and many assumptions are made within it
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2. dotancohen ◴[18 Sep 25 08:12 UTC] No.45286928[source]▶
The Hamas charter states that their goal, and the responsibility of every Muslim, is Islam, and Islam must obliterate the Zionist state.
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3. zelphirkalt ◴[18 Sep 25 09:23 UTC] No.45287484[source]▶
Zionist state - So that is the state, that thinks, that the land is god given theirs, right? Maybe such a state should disappear and a sane state appear in its stead. It may be that Hamas has a different understanding of that, but I think, that this religious fanatics state thing is no good for Israel as a country anyway. It would do them good to get rid of that ideological baggage.
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4. dotancohen ◴[18 Sep 25 13:53 UTC] No.45289733{3}[source]▶

  > So that is the state, that thinks, that the land is god given theirs, right?
Though there does exist a small religious minority that does claim the holy land to belong to Jews as it was given by God, I only know one such person. Most Israelis feel that Israel should be a Jewish state because we earned the land in the same fashion as almost every other nation on Earth, and certainly in the same fashion as ever other nation in the Middle East.

But I'll tell you who does think that certain land can only belong to people of a specific race. People who call the holy land "Palestinian land". The invention of that term was, as are many of the anti-Jewish arguments, an inversion of the Jewish use of "God -given land". And just as you reject the idea when it is used by Jews, so would a logical person reject the idea when used by our enemies.