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therobots927 ◴[] No.45266704[source]
I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
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beloch ◴[] No.45267542[source]
Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly.

Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Netanyahu has, to date, handled Trump deftly and Rubio's current presence in Israel seems to be aimed at offering support to the ground offensive, not opposition. I honestly have no idea what kind of backlash it would take to shake U.S. support for this genocide.

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jcranmer ◴[] No.45268029[source]
There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes.

It is worth noting that Andrew Cuomo, in a desperate last-minute gamble to boost support in the NYC mayoral race, has come out against Israel. Considering that much of the attacks on Mamdani have focused on his support for Palestine (construing him as antisemitic), it's notable that other candidates also seem to think that being anti-Israel is actually the vote winner for moderates right now.

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sfink ◴[] No.45268452[source]
I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel.

I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

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isr ◴[] No.45271646[source]
There's no way of supporting Israel without supporting this current genocide. Literally no way. Because this current genocide is the logical outcome of what Israel is. And was explained as such, in detail, by David Ben Gurion and Golda Mier. Decades ago.

Albert Einstein added his name to a famous letter to the NY Times in the late 40's, in which EXACTLY THIS was explained, in plain & uncompromising language, in the very first paragraph. For Israel to exist, it would have to be just like the Nazis. That's LITERALLY what that letter said.

The splitting of a non-existing hair argument that you're trying to do is just to avoid admitting that you've been wrong the entire time, and enough people warned (or boasted) about it from the very beginning that you really don't have an excuse for being this wrong.

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doron ◴[] No.45278905[source]
The moral position then for those who oppose it, is to allow those who wish to leave Gaza into countries that support the Palestinian people. Ireland and Spain come to mind, Qatar as well could take it thousands, they have the money.
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peterashford ◴[] No.45284016[source]
Forced displacement is a crime against humanity.
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doron ◴[] No.45284574[source]
No argument. if the option is between near certain death due to bombardment or starvation and living in Brazil or ireland. I imagine most will take that choice, if of course it was given.
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1. peterashford ◴[] No.45284810[source]
Bombarding people or starving people to force them to leave is forced displacement, and so is a crime against humanity. The solution here is for the party committing the crimes to stop, not for the victims to give their land to the criminal party.
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2. doron ◴[] No.45284885[source]
But they are not stopping are they?

If you don’t have the capacity to stop it but you do have the capacity to offer them a home shouldn’t you ?

Or is it the moral equivalent to the American “thoughts and prayers “?

It’s similar to the Ukrainian Russian meat grinder. The support is only extended enough for this to continue on forever

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3. Nevermark ◴[] No.45287163[source]
> But they are not stopping are they?

Nor is available power and leverage being brought to bear on stopping them. Any honest attempt at helping innocents being traumatized would start there.

Then yes, facilitating voluntary movement after that would help, without also blatantly facilitating those who want to drive them out.