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eej71 ◴[] No.45267482[source]
It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics.

Towards that end I offer up unwatch.

https://unwatch.org/

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DaveExeter ◴[] No.45267692[source]
Isn't that an Israeli "hasbara" site? The Israelis have admitted that they use the false cry of "antisemitism" to attack.

"Calling it antisemitism - it’s a trick we always use." Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister

https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758

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breppp ◴[] No.45268164[source]
You are aware that Shulamit Alloni was on the extreme left and was criticizing this supposed misuse of Antisemitism, this is not some playbook

The american equivalent would be to quote Bernie Sanders saying "America is fascist" and then saying, see? therefore the USA system of government is fascism, even Congress agrees!

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DaveExeter ◴[] No.45269938[source]
Not sure how that's the equivalent.

Lets see if there is a pattern.

Roger Waters criticizes Israel, Roger Waters is an antisemite.

Tucker Carlson criticizes Israel, Tucker Carlson is an antisemite.

Edward Said criticizes Israel, Edward Said is an antisemite.

Even "legends" get called antisemites! [1]

Hannah Einbinder criticizes Israel, Hannah Einbinder is an antisemite? Hmmm.

According to Jerry Seinfeld, anyone who says "free palestine" is antisemitic.

Any website, or any person, that claims "antisemitism" has lost all credibility for me.

[1] https://moguldom.com/454177/silicon-valley-legend-paul-graha...

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1. this2shallPass ◴[] No.45282302[source]
Plenty of people criticize Israel and are not antisemites. This is true of most Israelis. They generally criticize Israel in non-antisemitic ways. It is quite easy to do so.

Roger Waters is an antisemite.

Do people who have known Roger Waters his entire life think he is an antisemite because of his obsessive criticism of Israel, or because of all the other anti Jewish things he has said and done AND his singular obsession with Israel?

* https://variety.com/2023/music/news/roger-waters-antisemitic...

>In the 2023 documentary The Dark Side of Roger Waters, the >saxophonist Norbert Stachel recounts Waters refusing to eat >vegetarian >dishes in Lebanon, calling them “Jew food”. When >the musician explained >that most of his relatives had been >killed in the Holocaust, the singer did >a crude and offensive >impersonation of a Polish peasant woman, and said, >“Oh, I can >help you feel like you’re meeting your long-lost relatives. I >can introduce you to your dead grandmother.” > >Tellingly, Stachel also claimed to overhear Waters telling a >girlfriend that Judaism was not a race, saying, “They’re >white European men that grow beards and they practise the >religion Judaism, but they’re no different than me; they have >no difference in their background or their history or their >culture or anything.”

* https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/rogers-waters-anti...

I know less about Said.

He did write the forward to Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years. The book is framed as an attack on Jewish fundamentalism.

Werner Cohn, Professor Emeritus at the University of British Colombia, writes: “He [Shahak] says (pp. 23-4) that "Jewish children are actually taught" to utter a ritual curse when passing a non-Jewish cemetery.[b] He also tells us (p. 34) that "both before and after a meal, a pious Jew ritually washes his hands....On one of these two occasions he is worshiping God... but on the other he is worshiping Satan..." I did take the trouble to question my orthodox rabbi nephew to find what might be behind such tall tales. He had no clue. If orthodox Jews were actually taught such hateful things, surely someone would have heard. Whom is Dr. Shahak kidding?”

Edward Said wrote the foreward to the second edition, calling Shahak “one of the most remarkable individuals in the contemporary Middle East.” Said writes that the book is “nothing less than a concise history of classic and modern Judaism, insofar as these are relevant to the understanding of modern Israel.”

At best Said endorses antisemites.

Tucker Carlson hosted Darryl Cooper, a podcaster known for promoting Holocaust revisionism and making historically inaccurate claims about World War II. He labeled Winston Churchill as the "chief villain" of the conflict. They perpetuated downplayed Nazi atrocities.

Sure seems antisemitic.