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therobots927 ◴[] No.45266704[source]
I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
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mandeepj ◴[] No.45268633[source]
> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

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GoatInGrey ◴[] No.45268800[source]
People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.
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scarecrowbob ◴[] No.45269861{3}[source]
Couldn't the Democrats change their positions so that they align with and accommodate popular positions and win elections. I don't think most of the (rather large block) of folks I know who abstained wanted a fully solved problem, they wanted the US to stop funding Israel and that is a position that the Democratic party could have taken if they had chosen to do so.
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throwawaygmbno ◴[] No.45271121{4}[source]
Black people have known for decades, you vote for the people that don't actively hate you.

Sitting out of the process does absolutely nothing, whether its a protest vote, pretending that politics don't affect you, or just giving up completely. The people who get elected in those situations always 100% ignore you.

When people are in office that are at least willing to listen, you then make a lot of noise and put on pressure. You might get ignored mostly, since you are a minority voting block, but you can make incremental gains and even sometimes big wins.

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metalcrow ◴[] No.45271239{5}[source]
what do you do if both sides actively hate you? voting for the lesser of the two evils seems to just guarantee evil forever, and they have no reason to listen to you if they know you'll always vote for them.
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daemoens ◴[] No.45271335{6}[source]
You still vote for the lesser evil? Sitting out only benefits the greater evil, not you. I don't know how to make this any clearer.
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zmgsabst ◴[] No.45273459{7}[source]
Because you didn’t address the substance of their point:

What you’re arguing for is only single-round optimal, but multi-round suboptimal — much like defection in the Prisoners Dilemma is defeated by trust strategies the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma.

Until you show how it’s multi-round optimal, you haven’t addressed their critique.

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1. navane ◴[] No.45279495{8}[source]
How is not voting for the lesser evil more multi round optimal? How does that argument look?

Right now it looks like you drained the baby with the bathwater.

My bigger question: Why would you make the foreign issues dominate your national issues?

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2. zmgsabst ◴[] No.45287729[source]
I don’t do the second, so I can’t answer.

But to answer the first, I’ve heard directly from party strategists that they look for people who vote, but not in a particular race. They can’t identify them directly, but a higher ballot submitted count than (eg) presidential vote count is a signal that they can gain voters in that area — which they follow up by surveying independents, etc to see what policy issues they’re concerned with.

The argument is that by not voting some rounds, you influence their platform in subsequent rounds. If you vote for them regardless, there’s no incentive to optimize their platform to address your concerns.