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kelnos ◴[] No.45266878[source]
As a user of npm-hosted packages in my own projects, I'm not really sure what to do to protect myself. It's not feasible for me to audit every single one of my dependencies, and every one of my dependencies' dependencies, and so on. Even if I had the time to do that, I'm not a typescript/javascript expert, and I'm certain there are a lot of obfuscated things that an attacker could do that I wouldn't realize was embedded malware.

One thing I was thinking of was sort of a "delayed" mode to updating my own dependencies. The idea is that when I want to update my dependencies, instead of updating to the absolute latest version available of everything, it updates to versions that were released no more than some configurable amount of time ago. As a maintainer, I could decide that a package that's been out in the wild for at least 6 weeks is less likely to have unnoticed malware in it than one that was released just yesterday.

Obviously this is not a perfect fix, as there's no guarantee that the delay time I specify is enough for any particular package. And I'd want the tool to present me with options sometimes: e.g. if my current version of a dep has a vulnerability, and the fix for it came out a few days ago, I might choose to update to it (better eliminate the known vulnerability than refuse to update for fear of an unknown one) rather than wait until it's older than my threshold.

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wvh ◴[] No.45273513[source]
As a security guy, for years, you get laughed out of the room suggesting devs limit their dependencies and don't download half of the internet while building. You are an obstruction for making profit. And obviously reading the code does very little since modern (and especially Javascript) code just glues together frameworks and libraries, and there's no way a single human being is going to read a couple million lines of code.

There are no real solutions to the problem, except for reducing exposure somewhat by limiting yourself to a mostly frozen subset of packages that are hopefully vetted more stringently by more people.

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1. awaythrow999 ◴[] No.45277631[source]
Agree on the only solution being reducing dependencies.

Even more weird in the EU where things like Cyber Resilience Act mandate patching publicly known vulnerabilities. Cool, so let's just stay up2date? Supply-chain vuln goes Brrrrrr