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dluan ◴[] No.45271565[source]
Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart.

PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list.

I guess my point is when does recognition turn into action.

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nakamoto_damacy ◴[] No.45273157[source]
I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage.

One man cannot fix everything.

Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo),

As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorship. It's being abused.

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adastra22 ◴[] No.45273365[source]
Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse.
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nakamoto_damacy ◴[] No.45273407[source]
Genocide is not complicated.
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trhway[dead post] ◴[] No.45273587[source]
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nakamoto_damacy[dead post] ◴[] No.45273692[source]
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adastra22 ◴[] No.45273851{3}[source]
Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM leadership being unqualified Hamas operatives, all numbers and repots are vetted by Hamas proper before release.

Please stop polluting the conversation with ChatGPT slop.

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sillyfluke ◴[] No.45274122{4}[source]
The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached.

Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas?

Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on.

You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side.

[0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...

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trhway ◴[] No.45274293{5}[source]
I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023.

HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here?

And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?

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hvb2 ◴[] No.45274570{6}[source]
> And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?

Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right?

Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that.

No one is justifying October 7.

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dotancohen[dead post] ◴[] No.45275011{7}[source]
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1. toast0 ◴[] No.45277377{8}[source]
> Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide.

Genocide requires intent and deeds. I think it's reasonable to consider the attacks of October 2023 to be genocide. The intent is clear from their founding statements, and the deeds likely qualify as well.

However, I also think it's reasonable to consider the ongoing war in Gaza to be genocide as well. The statements from officials waver but are often genocidal in nature, and the destruction and loss of life is too.

It's not a contest, both genocides are bad. But using one to justify the other doesn't make the second one better.

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