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In Defense of C++

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monkeyelite ◴[] No.45270587[source]
The complexity argument is just not true. You do have to know this stuff in c++, you run into it all the time.

I wish I didn’t have to know about std::launder but I do

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ryao ◴[] No.45270919[source]
I feel like C++ is a bunch of long chains of solutions creating problems that require new solutions, that start from claiming that it can do things better than C.

Problem 1: You might fail to initialize an object in memory correctly.

Solution 1: Constructors.

Problem 2: Now you cannot preallocate memory as in SLAB allocation since the constructor does an allocator call.

Solution 2: Placement new

Problem 3: Now the type system has led the compiler to assume your preallocated memory cannot change since you declared it const.

Solution 3: std::launder()

If it is not clear what I mean about placement new and const needing std::lauder(), see this:

https://miyuki.github.io/2016/10/21/std-launder.html

C has a very simple solution that avoids this chain. Use structured programming to initialize your objects correctly. You are not going to escape the need to do this with C++, but you are guaranteed to have to consider a great many things in C++ that would not have needed consideration in C since C avoided the slippery slope of syntactic sugar that C++ took.

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1. AnimalMuppet ◴[] No.45276958[source]
Problem 1 happens, say, 10% of the time when using a C struct.

Problem 2 happens only when doing SLAB allocations - say, 1% of the time when using a C++ class. (Might be more or less, depending on what problem space you're in.)

Problem 3 happens only if you are also declaring your allocated stuff const - say, maybe 20% of the time?

So, while not perfect, each solution solves most of the problem for most of the people. Complaining about std::launder is complaining that solution 2 wasn't perfect; it's not in any way an argument that solution 1 wasn't massively better than problem 1.