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therobots927 ◴[] No.45266704[source]
I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
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beloch ◴[] No.45267542[source]
Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly.

Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Netanyahu has, to date, handled Trump deftly and Rubio's current presence in Israel seems to be aimed at offering support to the ground offensive, not opposition. I honestly have no idea what kind of backlash it would take to shake U.S. support for this genocide.

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jcranmer ◴[] No.45268029[source]
There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes.

It is worth noting that Andrew Cuomo, in a desperate last-minute gamble to boost support in the NYC mayoral race, has come out against Israel. Considering that much of the attacks on Mamdani have focused on his support for Palestine (construing him as antisemitic), it's notable that other candidates also seem to think that being anti-Israel is actually the vote winner for moderates right now.

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sfink ◴[] No.45268452[source]
I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel.

I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

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thunky ◴[] No.45269810[source]
> One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach.

I think you're overthinking this. We're taking about a country committing genocide here. You either support them or you don't.

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SilverElfin[dead post] ◴[] No.45270810[source]
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thunky ◴[] No.45271548{6}[source]
> Isn’t the only just response to completely eliminate the offending group, Hamas?

Israel is eliminating far more than the "offending group" and they're doing it in a cold blooded, inhumane manner. That's why it's not "self defense". It's shameful.

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adastra22 ◴[] No.45273465{7}[source]
Total deaths in Gaza are 1/4 comparable numbers for total deaths in similar conflicts in recent memory, like Fallujah. Not to be flippant, but wars suck, and people die. I would rather that there not be a war, but Israel didn't ask for Oct 7th to happen, and I don't see how any other response would have worked. And just looking at the numbers, the IDF is actually doing far better than any other army in protecting civilians, given the dense urban war fighting conditions. At least as far as the numbers go.
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1. thunky ◴[] No.45275162{8}[source]
> Total deaths in Gaza are 1/4 comparable numbers for total deaths in similar conflicts in recent memory, like Fallujah

This is factually incorrect, and even if it were true it's not exactly a great example for you to rest your case on.

> the IDF is actually doing far better than any other army in protecting civilians

According to who, Israel? Not according to the thousands of women and children they've murdered. Who likely far outnumber the number of militants they've killed.