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Gareth321 ◴[] No.45273927[source]
The Chair of this "independent" inquiry is Navi Pillay of South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Comm...); the nation which accused Israel of genocide and referred it to the ICJ. The outcome of this inquiry was always going to be highly partisan. The report's definition rests upon statements by key Israeli officials in determining genocidal intent. While the statements are accurate, in a democracy, individual representatives do not constitute a single will. If the standard used here were applied to other international conflicts in which civilians were killed, as long as just one governing official were to have made genocidal remarks (and they used a fairly wide range), the entire conflict could be ruled to be genocide. Thus the standard used by Pillay and co-authors is so far removed from anything applied to any other nation and conflict that I find the entire exercise farcical.

I await the ICJ ruling, as I regard that institution as reasonably impartial.

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michaelsshaw ◴[] No.45274040[source]
Amnesty International, The International Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, numerous other human rights organizations and world governments all say the same thing: genocide. To deny this is to say that you believe all of those groups are wrong and it is actually Netanyahu, Trump, Biden and Harris, along with their cronies in congress are correct. It is a position that cannot be defended logically.
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diordiderot[dead post] ◴[] No.45274185[source]
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michaelsshaw ◴[] No.45274549[source]
I do not support mass murder, that's correct. If that's what you call consensus morality then I'm not ashamed to be in the consensus.
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diordiderot ◴[] No.45274694[source]
> do not support mass murder

Yeah me neither.

But I can accept there will be civilian casualties when fighting a war that will result in de-radicalization of a terrorist state and prevent decades to centuries of further violence.

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1. michaelsshaw ◴[] No.45274734[source]
The rate of civilian casualties in this action are significantly higher than in any other urban action. It has been this bad for so long that in 2023, the median age in Gaza was 18. The Israeli government has, over decades, performed so called lawn-mowing operations in Gaza.

Here's a question, what kind of defensive violence needs to be scheduled in advance and performed with clockwork regularity? The non-defensive, genocidal kind.

There is no amount of groups, no amount of evidence, no statistic that will get the supporters of Israel now to flip, that much is clear. They are only interested in denying. Facts to them are merely an inconvenience.

When you run cover for this action, in the future you will have to live with the fact that you defended and denied this genocide.